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interminable

interminable

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9-10ths_Penguin said:
No, you said he hid himself from humanity to "test" us.
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He has hidden himself but hasn't hidden his prophets and miracles And their books and perhaps more importantly gave us reason to think

Some people believe causality except proving the existence of God. Does it make sense? Can we ignore this very simple fact. We just deceive ourselves I think
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
interminable said:
He has hidden himself but hasn't hidden his prophets and miracles And their books and perhaps more importantly gave us reason to think

Some people believe causality except proving the existence of God. Does it make sense? Can we ignore this very simple fact. We just deceive ourselves I think
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So then God's existence is obvious to anyone who isn't deceiving themselves? How are we being "tested", then?
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
interminable said:
Hi
العنكبوت
فَإِذَا رَكِبُوا فِي الْفُلْكِ دَعَوُا اللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ الدِّينَ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاهُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ إِذَا هُمْ يُشْرِكُونَ
And when they board a ship, they supplicate Allah, sincere to Him in religion. But when He delivers them to the land, at once they associate others with Him (65)


Have u ever had this experience in your life? Both positive and negative answers are appreciated.

Note: ship here means dire situation


Thanks in advance
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I've become much more pragmatic in such situations. Usually ends up in focusing on a course of action or contemplation after all my initial crying and stammering subsides.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
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interminable said:
Nope
My English skills don't allow me
Otherwise I would like to show u the treasure that is in philosophy and mysticism
I wish for that day
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That is why I know you are mistaken.

You are presuming that theism is somehow necessary for those fields.

That just isn't remotely true.
 
interminable

interminable

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LuisDantas said:
That is why I know you are mistaken.

You are presuming that theism is somehow necessary for those fields.

That just isn't remotely true.
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Our philosophy is different from those so called philosophy in west and gnostic say to some extent unbelievers can gain unusual power but after some special levels they can't go further and if they convert to Islam they will lose their power too because they gained that power not under the guardianship of god rather Satan

And it's interesting for u to know that the leader of bab and after them Bahaie he tried to be a gnostic but without a master and u see how many people were misguided by him
Just because they see something strange in some levels that think they are prophet or even god

Just a skillful master can differentiate which of those manifestations are from God and which is by Satan.
 
Underhill

Underhill

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interminable said:
Take a look at farmers

Without help of Sun lightning water wind soil cloud they can't reap what they sow.
So when parents say thank god they consider these things too.

But according to our traditions ''if u don't thank folk u will never thank god''.

We look at people and other things as tools since all of them are powered by a supreme
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So you say. I say empowering individuals is how we make people actually better, rather than making them drones following an old code written by people completely out of touch with the world we now live in.

As for the sun, it is unlikely you will agree, but it is one of the least special things we know. There are countless stars out there. They are common in the universe. Life, while I cannot know for sure, I suspect is much more rare. Why on earth would we waste it following a fairy tail being when we should be making the most of it?
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
interminable said:
Our philosophy is different from those so called philosophy in west and gnostic say to some extent unbelievers can gain unusual power but after some special levels they can't go further and if they convert to Islam they will lose their power too because they gained that power not under the guardianship of god rather Satan

And it's interesting for u to know that the leader of bab and after them Bahaie he tried to be a gnostic but without a master and u see how many people were misguided by him
Just because they see something strange in some levels that think they are prophet or even god

Just a skillful master can differentiate which of those manifestations are from God and which is by Satan.
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Maybe you want to consider for a moment how arrogant that sounds?
 
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