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Only the 'saved' will get into heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The more extreme Christians who espouse the unpleasant, you must be 'saved' dogma, believe that if you ask the long dead Jesus to come into you heart you will get into heaven, and everyone else, however good or decent, will end up in the fires of hell. So in theory someone as evil as Hitler could make a deathbed conversion and go to heaven. Whereas a person who has spent there life helping others, but is not 'saved', will go to hell. CRAZY OR WHAT?A god who insists on that is a complete psychopath.
I hope all people would know that according to the Bible, it goes like this:
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
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That sounds neither fundimentalist, nor Christian, just some strange agnostic who doesn't even have a complete personality, probably with some mental illness.
LightofTruth
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Mark 1:4 is a good place to start. Romans 6 is a good follow up.
The word remission means to pardon or to be free from sins.
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I go by what people tell me. He told everyone he was a Christian. After he didn't get rehired there (a school, of all places) he got hired by a private Christian school. Six months later our principal got the phone call.
According to the Bible, which is only a book, with no evidence to back much of it up. Besides which, what about the sins attributed to the god character, who is more evil than any human?
Some, not all.
I hope so but at the end of the day who knows?
To tell somone their physical body will return from death is just as big of a lie
In Catholicism, there's no such thing as being 'saved'. Salvation isn't a one time event but the end result of sanctifying grace. This grace must be maintained by living a holy and devout life in the faith. Those who die rejecting God cannot justly expect the beatific vision just because they helped old ladies cross the road on occasion. Heaven is nothing more than the direct and eternal vision of God, which is what is being rejected by said 'good' and 'decent' people of your example.
If he made an act of perfect contrition, and or received sacramental absolution then yes. Although in the case of a repentant Hitler his time in Purgatory would be immense and severe. However, given the corrupting nature of sin it is unlikely someone that deep in it would ever repent even at his deathbed. Contrition is itself a grace, which for the truly obstinate becomes more and more inaccessible as one becomes more and more entrenched in sin. Considering how the actual Hitler himself died, it is almost certain that he did not repent.
Again, you can't earn your way into heaven. It doesn't matter how 'good' (in the secular world's reckoning) one is. To obstinately reject God is itself an evil act because God is the highest good. All capacity for good comes from Him. God isn't just 'good' He is holy, and holiness is impossible without full cooperation with God.
I disagree. A God who demands His legitimate claims to the faith and obedience of His creatures is simply being just.
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"Physiologically traumatized" or "child abuse" are hardly terms I would use to describe Christian indoctrination. These are terms reserved for war veterans and children that have been raised being told they're stupid and worthless, raped, or beaten and the like.
I was raised with such indoctrination, and yes, when I was breaking free from it I had concerns about burning in hell (my family to this very day will tell me I am), but please, we're suggesting religious PTSD here.
But my point was and is that judging others for what the believe affects the judge more than the people they're judging.
No you couldn't. Hitler was no deity. Nor was he just.You could say the same about Hitler!
I disagree, being told by my late evil b**** of a grandmother from the age of two that I would burn in hell if I didn't get 'saved' gave me nightmares for years. Psychological abuse is now a crime here in the UK
Hitler thought he was some sort of god, no he wasn't just, nor is the Biblical god.
You disagree with what, specifically? There were three distinct points in my post.