Orban meets Putin for peace talks

[Estro Felino]

Both sides,

So since we are speaking of Donbas civilians, you are admitting that Kiev killed its own citizens?
Its own civilians?
Now wonder why they voted to be in the Russian Federation. Through referendum.

How much land in Kosovo did the USA keep for themselves after we helped put a stop to the "ethnic cleansing"?
@Estro Felino ?

Kosovo became a NATO country. So all of it. It became a US colony, as we Italy are a US colony.
We are US' property.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Orban is the President of the European Council right now.

Not to be mistaken with "dictator".

This image has irritated the elitist cabal of warmongers overseas (who are on the verge of a stroke) and of course, the EU technocrats.
Who don't represent the European peoples.

Are you under the impression that Orban does represent european peoples?

Peace will be a matter a time. In Europe peace will triumph and Russia will be considered an ally in the future.

Russia is going to require a serious change in attitude and foreign policy for that to happen.

So dear allies overseas: Abandon all hope. Peace will triumph.
Your thirst for war will not be satiated.

Only one side here as a thirst for war, and it's not the europeans or ukrainians.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The only operative question we need to ask here is: Does Ukraine stand any realistic chance of achieving their military objectives and winning this war?

This is the wrong question.
Russia is the one with "military objectives".
Ukraine's objective is merely to defend itself against an invading aggressor.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Honestly I am a bit shocked by the fact that the American people believe every single thing the media tell them.

Says the person who believes every single bit Russian state media says.............................

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What unelected technocrats say is worthless.
Orban was elected so he has legitimacy.

LOL

Nobody elected Orban to be president of the EU council.
It rotates every 6 months among all member states.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I must have repeated it 1000 times.
I cannot criticize what Russia did in Donbas.
Because it's exactly what the United States did in Kosovo.
USA invaded Serbia to save Kosovar separatists from persecution.

No.

NATO went into Kosovo by UN mandate to implement security council resolution 1244.

It is NOTHING alike.
Quite pretending that it is.

That's exactly what Russia has been doing.

It is not.
There was no ethnic cleansing going on.
There was no genocide going on.
There was no UN mandate.
There was no security council resolution.

There is just unprovoked Russian aggression.

The perpetrator here is Ukraine.

No.

 

[Stevicus]

This is the wrong question.
Russia is the one with "military objectives".
Ukraine's objective is merely to defend itself against an invading aggressor.

The question still stands.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Many rightists hate Russia...and many leftists love Russia.

It is in fact the exact opposite.
The only "friends" Putin has in Europe are found in the extreme right.
Racists, facists, neo-nazi's.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So, the U.S. did it, which you think is wrong, but now Russia does it, and you think it's right...
Also, this is whataboutism yet again.

It's not even right.
Kosovo was not the US and it was not a solo NATO project.

It was a UN mission, carried out by NATO by UN mandate, to implement / enforce Security Council resolution 1244.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You don't read me then.
I must have said 1000 times that what the USA did in Kosovo was 100% understandable. 100% inevitable.

I wrote this 1000 times also:
The USA did nothing in Kosovo in the sense of it being a USA initiative.
Neither did NATO.

Security Council resolution 1244. NATO carried out a UN mission with UN mandate.

Stop comparing the two. They are NOTHING alike.

As USA did with Serbia, a sovereign country.

No.

Again. The situation is identical to that of Kosovo in the nineties.

It is not.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am not in the team Russia.
I have already said that what the USA did in Kosovo was good, because Kosovo deserved independence.
I may criticize the methods, but I am not in the team Serbia-Russia in the Kosovo case.

You are in team "lying and spreading misinformation".


Again: security council resolution 1244

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

This thread is about International Politics.

Do you think international law is equal for all...

Yes, it is.

Kosovo was an international operation to implement / enforce Security Council resolution 1244 by UN mandate.
Stop comparing it to Russian aggression in Ukraine.
It is nothing alike.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Orban is the President of the European Council right now.
A real man in a Europe filled with male politicians who are really disappointing.

This image has irritated the elitist cabal of warmongers overseas (who are on the verge of a stroke) and of course, the EU technocrats.
Who don't represent the European peoples.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarys-orban-says-no-position-negotiate-between-ukraine-russia-2024-07-05/

European Officials Say Orban 'Exploiting EU Presidency' By Visiting Putin For Ukraine Talks

European leaders on July 5 slammed Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban for his visit to Russia to meet with President Vladimir Putin, accusing him of shaking hands "with a bloody dictator" and of "exploiting the EU presidency position to sow confusion."

www.rferl.org

Peace will be a matter a time. In Europe peace will triumph and Russia will be considered an ally in the future.
So dear allies overseas: Abandon all hope. Peace will triumph.
Your thirst for war will not be satiated.

Since Hungary and Russia are not at war, why would two dictators be having peace talks? Oh, yes, "the show must go on."

 

[Estro Felino]

Not to be mistaken with "dictator".

It takes a strong man to fight against the bankers, who are too powerful and greedy.

Are you under the impression that Orban does represent european peoples?

He was elected by Hungarians. Unlike technocrats, elected by nobody.

Only one side here as a thirst for war, and it's not the europeans or ukrainians.

There are people who are disposed to eliminate those who want peace between Europe and Russia.
Fitso was shot, and miraculously survived.
Trump was shot, and miraculously survived.

I guess you should admit to that: you do want Europe fighting against Russia in a world war.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The question still stands.

Yes, but properly formulated it reads: will Ukraine be able to defend their country against an invading aggressor, or will they be destroyed / conquered?

 

[Estro Felino]

Since Hungary and Russia are not at war, why would two dictators be having peace talks? Oh, yes, "the show must go on."

There are two kinds of Europeans: the patriots and the traitors.

The traitors are those who serve the banking élites' interests and the warfare industry's interests.

The patriots are all those who believe in the European Civilization and its values of peace and democracy, and Orban is the leader of this group.

I belong to the patriots.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It takes a strong man to fight against the bankers, who are too powerful and greedy.

Again with this nonsense, which has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

He was elected by Hungarians. Unlike technocrats, elected by nobody.

Every leader of every nation that every 6 months takes up the presidency of the EU council was elected by their citizens.

There are people who are disposed to eliminate those who want peace between Europe and Russia.
Fitso was shot, and miraculously survived.
Trump was shot, and miraculously survived.

Here come the silly conspiracy theories.............................

I guess you should admit to that: you do want Europe fighting against Russia in a world war. L

No.
I also don't want Europe to allow bullies to get away with whatever they want.

 

[Estro Felino]

It is in fact the exact opposite.
The only "friends" Putin has in Europe are found in the extreme right.
Racists, facists, neo-nazi's.

For the record: Putin has many "friends" also among leftists.
Many European socialists and communists side with Russians...
I can name one: Rizzo from the Italian Communist Party.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

For the record: Putin has many "friends" also among leftists.
Many European socialists and communists side with Russians...
I can name one: Rizzo from the Italian Communist Party.

"many", and you can name "one".

Literally every extreme right wing political party wants to hand over Ukraine to their dear friend in the east.

 

[Estro Felino]

"many", and you can name "one".

Literally every extreme right wing political party wants to hand over Ukraine to their dear friend in the east.

The problem of Europe is that there is a lounge-loving left that serves the bankers and the yacht-owners.
And they call themselves leftists.

Real leftists are socialists who are against the banking élites and the technocrats.

In fact in Italy the socialists literally hate the banking-loving left.