Origin of life

[Sapiens]

I do, but you do not seem to.

 

[Sapiens]

That is rather poor anecdotal evidence. When I was seven I could tell you a great deal about Jesus because my dad told me stuff.
Tom

You could regurgitate the bible stories you'd been told, that's rather different than being able to develop hypothesis and test them by making predictions mediated by the TOE.

 

[FearGod]

I do, but you do not seem to.

I don't think you do.
Now if your child understand how the mobile works, does that mean he can make Galaxy S6 at home.
Understanding how our bodies work doesn't mean that our bodies are simple, did you realize how stupid your argument is when you think of the DNA is simple because your son understood it.

 

[Sapiens]

I never said our bodies were simple, just that DNA is. By this, given your lack of sophistication, I was speaking of protein synthesis on a gross (whole protein) level, mutation and selection, nothing more.

 

[FearGod]

I never said our bodies were simple, just that DNA is. By this, given your lack of sophistication, I was speaking of protein synthesis on a gross (whole protein) level, mutation and selection, nothing more.

Yes it is as easy as making pancake.

 

[gnostic]

Stars didn't come from nothingness, where did the dust come from ? the supernovae of another star, and how the first stars formed before any dust or matter exist, so again we did know nothing but only we pretend that we know everything.

Matters existed when the first stars formed - hydrogen and helium for instances, are matters - but hydrogen and helium are not dusts. When the first stars formed there were no planets, asteroids, comets or any other interstellar bodies.

There were no dusts until much later, like you said, from supernovae, as well as from nucleosynthesis or nuclear fusion of heavier elements (heavier than helium). There were no water, no life, no Earth, during the earliest generation of stars.

It is until after the first generations of stars that were dying stage of its life cycle, that it began producing heavier elements (matters), and the 1st 26 elements in periodic table began to exist, including iron.

If you understand the star life cycle, then you would know that main fuel for star is hydrogen. The core is hot enough to fuse these hydrogen atoms into helium atom. It is mainly when the star run out of hydrogen, that it began to use helium as fuel to fuse into heavier elements.

Our sun, as well as the planets and asteroids were formed out of previous stars. Our Sun is either 3rd or 4th generation star, around the same age as the Earth, which is 4.67 billion year old, and it didn't formed until 9 billion years AFTER the Big Bang.

The earliest stars had very short life span, were mostly quite massive and burn their hydrogen fuel faster than stars (like our Sun) of this generation (Population I), because our stars have more metallicity than earliest stars (Population III) of early universe after the Big Bang, which had no or very low metalllicity.

There were no life in the early universe, because there were no planets to speak of at that time. Our Earth didn't exist until 9 billion years later (after the BB).

 

[Sapiens]

Yes it is as easy as making pancake.

Try this, best one I know:

Sapien's Hawaiian Pancakes:

Soak a cup of rolled oats in a cup of pineapple juice.

Sift together a cup of flour, a tsp of salt, a Tbs of sugar, a tsp of baking power

Mash two large very ripe bananas

Beat two eggs with two Tbs of coconut oil.

Add beaten egg mix and bananas to oatmeal mixture, mix in dry ingredients, cook on hot grill.

 

[Valjean]

I mean not only believers believe that the universe is a product of a plan and design, so it has nothing to do with religion but with logic.
You don't want to see God in it, and some others see God in it.

So you're dismissing the mechanisms of creation and change explained by science and you're saying that everything happened by the magical intervention of an invisible designer. Have I got that right?
How is magic logical?

As for "wanting to see God in it," I'm sure there are many atheists who would like to believe in God, to enjoy the security and significance belief would give them. But honest and reasonable people must go where the evidence leads them, must accept the facts and must dismiss that for which there is no evidence.

What was before the singularity and where did it come from ?

There was no "before." The Big Bang created time just as it created matter and energy.

 

[FearGod]

So you're dismissing the mechanisms of creation and change explained by science and you're saying that everything happened by the magical intervention of an invisible designer. Have I got that right?
How is magic logical?

Not magic, for example the seed grows to a huge tree not due to magic but it was designed to be so. but the magic is to believe that it is just happened to be so without any plan or design, just booom and then it is a seed that happened to grow and to carry fruits and it happened to be a delicious one.

As for "wanting to see God in it," I'm sure there are many atheists who would like to believe in God, to enjoy the security and significance belief would give them. But honest and reasonable people must go where the evidence leads them, must accept the facts and must dismiss that for which there is no evidence.

Why the atheists need to mislead the others, if they think that they're right then are they worried that the people are wasting their times or if for any other reasons.
I know that some atheists are confused with religion and will find many excuses for refusing it, such as why there are many beliefs, why many Gods, why there are stupid things in religion, why the need for prophets, why the diseases,.......and many other similar excuses, but according to my belief i'm in immune of these thoughts which i'm already warned of them to happen as the prophet even before his death warned people that the Satan will find whatever way to ones heart because he was freed to be our enemy and as a tool for testing our beliefs, yes i know it is hard and many won't be able to pass the test.

There was no "before." The Big Bang created time just as it created matter and energy.

Assuming the BB started at time 0 , then what was before 0, it is logical to ask what it was before seconds from starting of the singularity.

 

[psychoslice]

No one really knows that answer, you would have to be arrogant to believe you know the answer, so why ask the question, its just silly.

 

[Acintya_Ash]

What was before the singularity and where did it come from ?

Ramana Maharshi says:
Creation is explained scientifically or logically to one's own satisfaction. But is there any finality about it?
Moreover, all the scientific and theological explanations do not harmonise. The diversities in such theories clearly show the uselessness of seeking such explanations. Such explanations are purely mental and intellectual and nothing more. Still, all of them are true according to the standpoint of the individual.

The Vedanta says that the cosmos springs into view simultaneously with the seer and that there is no detailed process of creation. This is said to be yugapat-srishti (instantaneous creation). It is quite similar to the creations in dream where the experiencer springs up simultaneously with the objects of experience. When this is told, some people are not satisfied for they are deeply rooted in objective knowledge. They seek to find out how there can be sudden creation. They argue that an effect must be preceded by a cause. In short, they desire an explanation for the existence of the world which they see around them. Then the srutis (scriptures) try to satisfy their curiosity by theories of creation.

 

[Acintya_Ash]

Assuming the BB started at time 0 , then what was before 0, it is logical to ask what it was before seconds from starting of the singularity.

Assuming Allah created the universe at time 't', What was he doing before time 't'?

 

[FearGod]

Assuming Allah created the universe at time 't', What was he doing before time 't'?

From my religion perspective, in his own space, the upper space, which is called "السماء العليا"
Another life existed in his own space but they are the angels, they are obedient and programmed to work according to God's will.

 

[LuisDantas]

Does biology explain how life started from vacuum ?

This is always an odd question. Who ever claimed that life started "from vacuum"?

In any case, the origin of life is unavoidably speculative, barring access to some sort of time travel. But it is being hypothetized about and research on possible origins has been progressing.

We told this already, didn't we?

Do you mean it's already predetermined ?

That I am meant to be an atheist?

For all I know, such may well be the case. It is not outright impossible that there is indeed a God and he wants me to doubt his existence. It certainly makes more sense than the existence of a God who wants me to believe in his existence...

That said, I generally just think of atheism as part of what I am. It is really not a very sophisticated concept, not at all.

I heard about this that each soul is already predetermined as what her life will be, but i find it hard to understand this concept.

I don't believe in the existence of souls, and if I did I would see them as very ephemeral indeed, so I suppose I can't explain that notion to you.

 

[LuisDantas]

What that have to do with the complexity of the DNA ?
Did you understand my question ?

Your question is misguided. DNA is a fairly simple molecule. It sort of had to be to develop. Biology, however, is a very complex field of study, one that can't really be well understood without years of study.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes it is as easy as making pancake.

Pretty much.

 

[LuisDantas]

From my religion perspective, in his own space, the upper space, which is called "السماء العليا"
Another life existed in his own space but they are the angels, they are obedient and programmed to work according to God's will.

Doesn't that mean that your religion does not really have an answer for the origin of existence either, but rather just an allegorical tale of how our universe originated?

I really don't see how one could reach another conclusion.

 

[FearGod]

Doesn't that mean that your religion does not really have an answer for the origin of existence either, but rather just an allegorical tale of how our universe originated?

I really don't see how one could reach another conclusion.

Origin of the universe isn't my business, i weren't a part of it all the times and i won't be, i'm just living my time.

 

[FearGod]

Try this, best one I know:

Sapien's Hawaiian Pancakes:

Soak a cup of rolled oats in a cup of pineapple juice.

Sift together a cup of flour, a tsp of salt, a Tbs of sugar, a tsp of baking power

Mash two large very ripe bananas

Beat two eggs with two Tbs of coconut oil.

Add beaten egg mix and bananas to oatmeal mixture, mix in dry ingredients, cook on hot grill.

What if i don't have fire, can i make the pancake ?

 

[LuisDantas]

Origin of the universe isn't my business, i weren't a part of it all the times and i won't be, i'm just living my time.

Then I must have misunderstood you fairly often.