Original Sin

[idav]

this story tells me something i think is substantial
god didn't want mankind to be aware of their actions and intended them to remain innocent of guilt. otherwise why not already create them with this knowledge if it was gods plan that mankind were to become culpable for their actions?

Seeing your children grow up must be tough, you almost want them to stay innocent.

 

[waitasec]

Seeing your children grow up must be tough, you almost want them to stay innocent.

by 18 months they would have already partaken the fruit of good and evil...
simply by learning the meaning of the word, 'no'.

 

[idav]

by 18 months they would have already partaken the fruit of good and evil...
simply by learning the meaning of the word, 'no'.

Awe, those precious little hoodlums.

 

[riley2112]

If you want to read about the fall of man in a way that I have never seen then read this and let me know what you think, I still am not sure what to think of it. but it does make an interesting thought.The Fall of Man It starts out like the story we have all heard but ends different than anything I could have thought of.

 

[waitasec]

Awe, those precious little hoodlums.

tee hee hee

 

[waitasec]

If you want to read about the fall of man in a way that I have never seen then read this and let me know what you think, I still am not sure what to think of it. but it does make an interesting thought.The Fall of Man It starts out like the story we have all heard but ends different than anything I could have thought of.

i'll check it out...
thanks.

 

[riley2112]

i'll check it out...
thanks.

I wonder where he got the story from. It would make a good movie

 

[riley2112]

The beliefs is from the Unification Church. That be Rev. Moon. Not sure how to take that. Sounds like just another belief with no more evidence than any other religion. Going to have to take some time to wrap my mind around it.

 

[waitasec]

The beliefs is from the Unification Church. That be Rev. Moon. Not sure how to take that. Sounds like just another belief with no more evidence than any other religion. Going to have to take some time to wrap my mind around it.

conjecture seems to be what this person is relying on rather than reading what the story says...
i'm not so sure if this is a story about symbolism...either it's all symbolic or not as the story is too fantastical to be taken both ways.
but it's fun to pick apart

thanks again though...

 

[Thief]

i've said this before...
if they didn't know about good and evil...
the tree of knowledge might as well have been called
the tree of knowledge of glipper and glopper to their understanding.

makes perfect sense to me

This explains so much, the round about you do in rebuttal.
Glipper....glopper.... is as far you can actually go?

 

[waitasec]

This explains so much, the round about you do in rebuttal.
Glipper....glopper.... is as far you can actually go?

do you know what glipper and glopper mean....?


think a little.
just a little. if the knowledge of good and evil where not in their minds those words meant nothing...

 

[Thief]

do you know what glipper and glopper mean....?


think a little.
just a little. if the knowledge of good and evil where not in their minds those words meant nothing...

As any child first learning the concept of self denial.

'No'...is the first word children learn.
It is often learned with consequence.

 

[waitasec]

As any child first learning the concept of self denial.

'No'...is the first word children learn.
It is often learned with consequence.

exactly...do children understand "no" the 1st time they hear it?

everything in the garden was yes up until that point.

 

[Thief]

exactly...do children understand "no" the 1st time they hear it?

everything in the garden was yes up until that point.

And that point was spiritual?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Here is something that bugs me and I would like to discuss. It seems that Christianity (perhaps other religions also, I am unsure) teaches that we are born with "original sin", which is inherited because of Adam and Eve's sin in the Garden of Eden. WE are held responsible for the sins of SOMEONE ELSE. I cannot see how this belief makes sense.

First, if god is loving and forgiving, why would he hold an everlasting grudge against humans? If it is so that we must accept Christ, it seems kind of like a set up...

Second, why should we even be held responsible for the sins of another in general? Nobody is responsible for the sins of another in any other case outside of this one. Why is this one held against all of humanity? Again, it seems like a set up.

Discuss

The bible is so contradictory I'm not sure you're ever going to be able to make since of it. It says 'the sins of the father will not be passed to his offspring'...then in another place it says the opposite.

 

[Thief]

The bible is so contradictory I'm not sure you're ever going to be able to make since of it. It says 'the sins of the father will not be passed to his offspring'...then in another place it says the opposite.

Yeah...
At every turn and quote you could bolster almost any perspective you care to hold.
And this alone is sufficient for some to bash others with scripture....it's a lie.
And in return the same book is used to denounce non-belief, with damnation.

There are of course a few....who know it to be a tool.
Properly used, it works just fine.

 

[waitasec]

And that point was spiritual?

no means no...

no?

 

[Quiddity]

We adopted the inclination of sin and a broken nature if you will.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Yeah...
At every turn and quote you could bolster almost any perspective you care to hold.
And this alone is sufficient for some to bash others with scripture....it's a lie.
And in return the same book is used to denounce non-belief, with damnation.

There are of course a few....who know it to be a tool.
Properly used, it works just fine.

My comment was to the mental state of "God"...rather (The men who wrote the scriptures)....What people do with the book is written in history.

 

[Thief]

no means no...

no?

No......