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Our Gods are not symbolic!
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ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram vinayaka ji
Hee Hee glad you took it lightly , ....this whole change over to this new format has been very strange and I feel like I am on another site talking to strangers , ...and it is very odd talking to a post whos avatar is a ?, ...but at least it is an advance on repeatedly getting a blank page ...404 canot be found ...I will no doubt soon ajust , ...
however ..Hee Hee , ..there was no intention to correct , just to inform , as per the veiw of some Buddhists who also beleive the Deities to be very real .
unfortunatly it is a common missconception in the west because theism is judged in abrahamic trems , as beleiving in an abrahamic creator god .
unfortunatly the same seems to happen in Buddhism especialy on the internet , allthough I have not experienced it so much within Hinduism the majority of Hindus seem to be more accepting of diversity
again I find there to be more of a problem here on the internet than in the temples , but the internet also has its plus sides , in that it gives us the opertunity to talk to people from different traditions , which also helps to dispell many other myths .
in that respect , ..as you often say ...its all good , ...in that even if people do put forward one sided opinions there is the opertunity to counter that arguement . Hopefully this will cause any reader to question more deeply .
Hee Hee glad you took it lightly , ....this whole change over to this new format has been very strange and I feel like I am on another site talking to strangers , ...and it is very odd talking to a post whos avatar is a ?, ...but at least it is an advance on repeatedly getting a blank page ...404 canot be found ...I will no doubt soon ajust , ...
however ..Hee Hee , ..there was no intention to correct , just to inform , as per the veiw of some Buddhists who also beleive the Deities to be very real .
unfortunatly it is a common missconception in the west because theism is judged in abrahamic trems , as beleiving in an abrahamic creator god .
unfortunatly the same seems to happen in Buddhism especialy on the internet , allthough I have not experienced it so much within Hinduism the majority of Hindus seem to be more accepting of diversity
again I find there to be more of a problem here on the internet than in the temples , but the internet also has its plus sides , in that it gives us the opertunity to talk to people from different traditions , which also helps to dispell many other myths .
in that respect , ..as you often say ...its all good , ...in that even if people do put forward one sided opinions there is the opertunity to counter that arguement . Hopefully this will cause any reader to question more deeply .
Namaste Ratikala ... I don't interact much with people outside Hinduism any more in the 'Real' world, but I suspect the misconceptions are plenty. Don't really know for sure though. That and most people here are sort of 'wouldn't care'.
On this particular 'myth', I have seen it in textbooks, and of course the non-Hindu intellectual elite say this in their books It also goes back to an individual's experience. Those with no experience of God or God's presence, or the inability to feel it, obviously wouldn't believe in them.
On this particular 'myth', I have seen it in textbooks, and of course the non-Hindu intellectual elite say this in their books It also goes back to an individual's experience. Those with no experience of God or God's presence, or the inability to feel it, obviously wouldn't believe in them.
That is the 'advaita' stance. Hinduism has many others.
Personally, I'm not convinced Shankara was a mystic and a scholar. I lean to him being more just scholar. Certainly true with some of the people that followed. And when the intellect looms large, mysticism is diminished. Sadly, there have been many long term effects of this on the bhakti movement.
Yes. But I'm personally not convinced. He was all to all. A Vaisnava to Vaishnavas, a Shakta to Shaktas, a Saiva to Saivas, a scholar to scholars, etc.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
/nevermind/
Poeticus
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It doesn't matter what he would say. His feats speak for themselves.
This is the dude that was the first one to open the Dakshina Dvara (the Southern Gate) of one of the grandest halls of Kashmir---after beating everyone in debates, of course.
This is the dude that invigorated Dharma at a time when Hindus didn't even make up more than 20% of the Subcontinent. Even anti-Hindu scholars of left-wing academia will call him a mystic. In fact, he was a mystic.
There is no reason to pedestal him as a scholar. Just because the dude engaged in arguments or debates does not disqualify him from being seen as a mystic.
Heck, even the Shaiva Siddhanta school came into existence through the very method that has always given rise to every and any Indian school of thought: Vada-Bhiksha. That's just how it was in the Indian subcontinent.
The Upanishadic mystics debated with the yajna-centric priests and their associated mystics. The Mimamsaka-s used to do it with the Buddhists, and the Buddhists used to do it with the Carvaka-s, etc. etc. etc.
These dudes didn't just sit in a cave and meditate or contemplate on this and that all day and every day, or sit by a river and close their eyes. They walked far and wide and defended their hypotheses. That's how Indian schools of thought worked. And that's how every single Dharmic school came into existence.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram psycoslice ji
if we see god in our baby stage it is because we still retain some purity , only purity comprehends God .
when we start to be taken in by self styled gurus like Osho who twist a beautifull religion to justify his imoral , debauched and licentious behavior we loose all purity and start to convince our selves that we are one with god therefore everything is cool we can do what we like because it is all trancendental ! ... this is not spiritualy mature it is just self indulgent !
these are just the babbling words of a mad man got a guru , justan opertunist who manipulated people by telling them what they wanted to hear and caring nothing for their spiritual growth or welfare .
sorry but this had to be said
if we see god in our baby stage it is because we still retain some purity , only purity comprehends God .
when we start to be taken in by self styled gurus like Osho who twist a beautifull religion to justify his imoral , debauched and licentious behavior we loose all purity and start to convince our selves that we are one with god therefore everything is cool we can do what we like because it is all trancendental ! ... this is not spiritualy mature it is just self indulgent !
these are just the babbling words of a mad man got a guru , justan opertunist who manipulated people by telling them what they wanted to hear and caring nothing for their spiritual growth or welfare .
sorry but this had to be said
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram vinayaka ji
in Kali Yuga missconceptions abound !!! ...even within Hinduism missconceptions abound , ...
I dont Know who these people are that '' sort of ' wouldn't care' ''
Prehaps thats my problem I care , yes I am practiced enough to just let it all flow by , ....but that seems selfish , ..... and then I see people quoting Osho , ...and I remember the Buddhist stories of the peacfull Chenreizig who turns into the wrathfull form of Mahakala inorder to defeat the ignorance which causes human suffering and delusion , ...so yes we need to care and we need to destroy these missconceptions for the sake of the preservation of our traditions .
which takes me back to purity and surrender , ...you speak of the schollars that write in an interlectual capacity , they too have lost that simplicity and are so infatuated with opinion , personal acheivement and their own interlectual superiority that there is no room in their hearts for God therefore they are blind and senceless , the finer human qualities of perception have been burried , therefore the see and they feel nothing , thus they beleive their own Myths and seek to see only their own greatness .
the sad thing is that many follow them instead of a genuine guru , they do this because they do not understand surrender and simplicity .
in Kali Yuga missconceptions abound !!! ...even within Hinduism missconceptions abound , ...
I dont Know who these people are that '' sort of ' wouldn't care' ''
Prehaps thats my problem I care , yes I am practiced enough to just let it all flow by , ....but that seems selfish , ..... and then I see people quoting Osho , ...and I remember the Buddhist stories of the peacfull Chenreizig who turns into the wrathfull form of Mahakala inorder to defeat the ignorance which causes human suffering and delusion , ...so yes we need to care and we need to destroy these missconceptions for the sake of the preservation of our traditions .
which takes me back to purity and surrender , ...you speak of the schollars that write in an interlectual capacity , they too have lost that simplicity and are so infatuated with opinion , personal acheivement and their own interlectual superiority that there is no room in their hearts for God therefore they are blind and senceless , the finer human qualities of perception have been burried , therefore the see and they feel nothing , thus they beleive their own Myths and seek to see only their own greatness .
the sad thing is that many follow them instead of a genuine guru , they do this because they do not understand surrender and simplicity .
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram axlyz ji
interlect used in the service of God is interlect used wisely
jai jai
interlect used in the service of God is interlect used wisely
It's okay. We have the right to ignore non-Hindus ion the Hindu DIR, that's why we have DIRs.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
In reality there are as many gods as there are people, or even animals.That is the 'advaita' stance. Hinduism has many others.
ronki23
Well-Known Member
Many say they are symbolic because human beings can not prove God exists and there is no way to measure him/her with the exception of the Higgs Boson (which we don't know HOW it works and HOW it gives matter its characteristics).
Now, if there is an example of God in a tangible form, there must be some sort of evidence for one to come up with this. God in Hinduism is seen 'bizarrely' e.g. multiple arms and heads, blue skin, animal heads. Because (in my opinion)
Multiple arms and heads= can do more things and have more brains than humans
Blue Skin= Not human and our sin
Animal heads= That animals and humans are all living beings and the same God pervades over all of them
Now, if there is an example of God in a tangible form, there must be some sort of evidence for one to come up with this. God in Hinduism is seen 'bizarrely' e.g. multiple arms and heads, blue skin, animal heads. Because (in my opinion)
Multiple arms and heads= can do more things and have more brains than humans
Blue Skin= Not human and our sin
Animal heads= That animals and humans are all living beings and the same God pervades over all of them
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yea I can't work it out which is which, the other setup was more easy to identify which is which ?.
The Hindusim DIR is a closed DIR, ie. people outside of the faith are limited to asking respectful questions.
Considering that the colors are gone (as is the rule page for that matter) we're going to be a bit more lenient on rule 10 for the time being, but only a little.
To the DIR members: sorry about the post, guys, but since we also don't have Site Feedback atm this is probably the most efficient way to communicate in these situations for now.
Psychoslice, please don't respond to this post (or Mod Posts either). If you have any more questions, PM me or one of the other staff.