Our New Attorney General: Matt Gaetz

[SkepticThinker]

It doesn't matter who he nominates you would not like them. So this rant means nothing.

Nonsense.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It doesn't matter who he nominates you would not like them. So this rant means nothing.

You do not know that. Most of us are perfectly happy to accept qualified candidates for very senior, very powerful roles in government. But what Trump is doing is unlike anything ever attempted by a President -- ever! I am sorry that you can't see that. Your blind loyalty to Trump is blurring your vision to what he's actually doing. If that's what's happening to most Americans, then I grieve for your nation.

 

[Mock Turtle]

There is also self-irony that characterizes me...well...us.

I know it's more likely that I sleep with Leonardo Di Caprio than Ukraine winning the war.

I don't find it offensive towards me.

Unless I have been missing out, they don't tend to use the ad hom language as much here in the UK - not any who would want to be taken seriously.

 

[Alien826]

Your prescriptions start too late! You want rules for after they're elected, when in fact you need rules for before they're elected. Campaign finance rules, for a start.

Actually I was looking for a practical way to change. No rules will be created while the current lot are in charge. They will have to be replaced by a more honest "lot" and that can only be done through selective voting. Just my idea, there could be a better way.

The US would not suffer badly if national elections were totally subject to national standards. Canadian national elections aren't run by provinces, but by Elections Canada -- which does not report to the head of government, but to the Speaker of the House of Commons.

America needs limits on campaigns -- gawd, you go on forever and day! The maximum length of an election in Canada is 51 days (and the minimum is 37). Do you have any idea how much money that saves? But more importantly, do you have any idea how that forces contestants to condense their messages into something that ordinary people can hope to understand?

Agreed.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You do not know that. Most of us are perfectly happy to accept qualified candidates for very senior, very powerful roles in government.

I don't believe this at all.

But what Trump is doing is unlike anything ever attempted by a President -- ever! I am sorry that you can't see that. Your blind loyalty to Trump is blurring your vision to what he's actually doing. If that's what's happening to most Americans, then I grieve for your nation.

Ho hum, more accusations. Do you have anything else? I don't think you understand what he is doing so we will just have to disagree.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don't believe this at all.

Well, people believe (or don't) all sorts of things, all too often without reason or in the face of reason. I'm not much impressed by statements of belief.

Ho hum, more accusations. Do you have anything else? I don't think you understand what he is doing so we will just have to disagree.

I wonder if you noticed that Matt Gaetz resigned his House seat shortly after his nomination? This is highly unusual -- to serve in Cabinet, elected politicians must resign, but they wait until AFTER Senate confirmation. Did you also notice that the House Ethics Committee was set to deliver a damaging report on Gaetz tomorrow? Well, of course, since he resigned, this has been scrapped and we'll never see it. Any connection, do you think?

 

[Kathryn]

You do not know that. Most of us are perfectly happy to accept qualified candidates for very senior, very powerful roles in government. But what Trump is doing is unlike anything ever attempted by a President -- ever! I am sorry that you can't see that. Your blind loyalty to Trump is blurring your vision to what he's actually doing. If that's what's happening to most Americans, then I grieve for your nation.

So are you fine with Susie Wiles, who was his very first nominee? What about John Thune?

 

[F1fan]

It doesn't matter who he nominates you would not like them. So this rant means nothing.

I have a right to my opinion. I just take the assessment more seriously than you.

I notice you don’t approve or reject him, why not? Are you aware that most everyone is condemning the choice? Are you aware of his troubled past?

 

[Foxfyre]

Nope. Trump is kicking a**. I just don't like Gaetz or Vivek.

I'll admit I'm watching the Gaetz appointment but not for the same reasons some here have expressed. But what's your problem with Vivek? How is he not qualified to work with Elon to identify at least some of the waste, ineffectiveness, inefficiency, corruption in what many of us see as an out of control government?

The government will have spent roughly $7 trillion this year alone and I would guess a very few of any on this forum can name a single thing really good for America or Americans that was accomplished with all that money. Surely we can do better?

 

[Revoltingest]

Exhibit 1: Matt Gaetz attempts to enter Chinese propaganda into the congressional record:

Trujmp's slogan....
Loyalty over competence.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Well, people believe (or don't) all sorts of things, all too often without reason or in the face of reason. I'm not much impressed by statements of belief.

My disbelief is based on the kind of rhetoric and vitriol the left spews at Trump. They called Dick Cheney a war criminal then embrace him when he endorsed Harris. Biden welcomes what they call a Nazi Fascist piece of garbage to the white house to aid in a smooth transition. They don't believe what they say, they do it for political gain, so no, I don't believe they would have good things to say about anyone he picks based on this evidence.

I wonder if you noticed that Matt Gaetz resigned his House seat shortly after his nomination? This is highly unusual -- to serve in Cabinet, elected politicians must resign, but they wait until AFTER Senate confirmation. Did you also notice that the House Ethics Committee was set to deliver a damaging report on Gaetz tomorrow? Well, of course, since he resigned, this has been scrapped and we'll never see it. Any connection, do you think?

I have said I don't like Gaetz, he was a bad pick in my opinion. But I don't think anyone on the left has any credibility to talk about ethics to anyone.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I have a right to my opinion. I just take the assessment more seriously than you.

I never said you did not have a right to your opinion. I just disagreed with it.

I notice you don’t approve or reject him, why not? Are you aware that most everyone is condemning the choice? Are you aware of his troubled past?

I have said many times on this thread I don't like the choice. How have you missed that?

 

[Revoltingest]

My disbelief is based on the kind of rhetoric and vitriol the left spews at Trump. They called Dick Cheney a war criminal then embrace him when he endorsed Harris. Biden welcomes what they call a Nazi Fascist piece of garbage to the white house to aid in a smooth transition. They don't believe what they say, they do it for political gain, so no, I don't believe they would have good things to say about anyone he picks based on this evidence.

I have said I don't like Gaetz, he was a bad pick in my opinion. But I don't think anyone on the left has any credibility to talk about ethics to anyone.

You use the left's hypocrisy to deny criticism of Magas.
But the poster you responded to doesn't strike me as a lefty.
Look at the merit of criticism, instead of lashing out at the critic.

BTW, Pence became respected by non-Magas when
he refused to over-turn the election when Trump told
him to. And don't forget....he also shot a lawyer in
the face with a shotgun. The guy has his good points.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I have said I don't like Gaetz, he was a bad pick in my opinion. But I don't think anyone on the left has any credibility to talk about ethics to anyone.

Well, thank you. I lean politically left, so I'm unethical, am I?

I'll take that as a slur against my character -- since that is what it is.

 

[F1fan]

I never said you did not have a right to your opinion. I just disagreed with it.

You disagreed without any explanation. So who cares? When I offer opinions I explain why. You might have beliefs but you don’t give us reason to see that you used reasoning.

I have said many times on this thread I don't like the choice. How have you missed that?

That I haven’t seen you say this. Plus why disagree with me when you agree? We both dislike the choice.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I'll admit I'm watching the Gaetz appointment but not for the same reasons some here have expressed. But what's your problem with Vivek? How is he not qualified to work with Elon to identify at least some of the waste, ineffectiveness, inefficiency, corruption in what many of us see as an out of control government?

The government will have spent roughly $7 trillion this year alone and I would guess a very few of any on this forum can name a single thing really good for America or Americans that was accomplished with all that money. Surely we can do better?

I think Elon can handle it. I am excited about the DOGE, it is about time. Vivek will be good in this position I can agree. I just don't like some of his political stances like raising the voting age, getting rid of H1B Visas, getting rid of the FBI, somewhat of a 911 conspiracy theorist. He also seems like a political opportunist and will change his stances if the winds change.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Well, thank you. I lean politicallyu left, so I'm unethical, am I?

I'll take that as a slur against my character -- since that is what it is.

Never said you were unethical. There are plenty of politicians, media pundits, that are unethical including Harris and Biden.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think Elon can handle it. I am excited about the DOGE, it is about time. Vivek will be good in this position I can agree. I just don't like some of his political stances like raising the voting age, getting rid of H1B Visas, getting rid of the FBI, somewhat of a 911 conspiracy theorist. He also seems like a political opportunist and will change his stances if the winds change.

The idea of DOGE is good.
But Musk has no government experience (other
than cadging for subsidies), & strikes me as a
bull in a china shop. Not a good candidate.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You disagreed without any explanation. So who cares? When I offer opinions I explain why. You might have beliefs but you don’t give us reason to see that you used reasoning.

I don't believe he is qualified enough, has the right outlook or ethical enough for the position. The underage stuff has not been verified, if it is true he is a POS.

That I haven’t seen you say this. Plus why disagree with me when you agree? We both dislike the choice.

I have never disagreed with you on the Gaetz pick.

 

[Foxfyre]

I think Elon can handle it. I am excited about the DOGE, it is about time. Vivek will be good in this position I can agree. I just don't like some of his political stances like raising the voting age, getting rid of H1B Visas, getting rid of the FBI, somewhat of a 911 conspiracy theorist. He also seems like a political opportunist and will change his stances if the winds change.

Vivek is 39 years old and will mature greatly in the next ten years. And if he seems a bit shall we say 'flexible' on things now, I think he is an extremely intelligent young man who will firm up a lot of his positions in those next ten years. I don't worry so much about the rhetoric on television that often reflects how a person is feeling at any given time. A lot of bright extraverted people think out loud that way but quickly adjust their opinions. Certainly he isn't the first to believe the FBI is so corrupted and deep state controlled that it is beyond redemption. But once you sit down and thoroughly analyze something, it is likely different conclusions will emerge.