Over 50 arrested after mobs ransacked/looted Philadelphia stores

[We Never Know]

Well it is interesting that you would bring up the color of their skin. Maybe the store is in a black area/neighborhood. So most people around there would be black. Or if it was a flash mob, maybe the person who originated it was black, so their social media network was black also. I don't know. But you seem to be implying that being black causes you to be a criminal, and yeah, that would be a little racist.

Just pointing out 99 9% of the looters in the videos were black. Not racist, its fact.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well it is interesting that you would bring up the color of their skin. Maybe the store is in a black area/neighborhood. So most people around there would be black. Or if it was a flash mob, maybe the person who originated it was black, so their social media network was black also. I don't know. But you seem to be implying that being black causes you to be a criminal, and yeah, that would be a little racist.

Should we ignore race in regards to crimes?
When whites are the perps, & blacks are the
victims, race is prominently discussed. Yet
that isn't typically decried as racist.
It strikes me that we progressives aren't
supposed to see blacks as perpetrators.
This seems racist.

 

[We Never Know]

Should we ignore race in regards to crimes?
When whites are the perps, & blacks are the
victims, race is prominently discussed. Yet
that isn't typically decried as racist.
It strikes me that we progressives aren't
supposed to see blacks as perpetrators.
This seems racist.

Maybe they were getting reparations

 

[Orbit]

Should we ignore race in regards to crimes?
When whites are the perps, & blacks are the
victims, race is prominently discussed. Yet
that isn't typically decried as racist.
It strikes me that we progressives aren't
supposed to see blacks as perpetrators.
This seems racist.

Actually I notice something different. When a perpetrator is black, everyone seems to notice that they're black. People comment on it. When a perpetrator is white, he's just a perpetrator. People don't comment that they're white.

 

[We Never Know]

Actually I notice something different. When a perpetrator is black, everyone seems to notice that they're black. People comment on it. When a perpetrator is white, he's just a perpetrator. People don't comment that they're white.

Kinda like when a cop, black or white, shoots a white person its in the news as just a cop shooting.
If a black cop shoots a black person its in the news as just a cop shooting.
But if a white cop shoots a black person, hold the phone! Its all over the news as white cop shoots black person.

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe they were getting reparations

So it has been claimed about looting by BLM.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually I notice something different. When a perpetrator is black, everyone seems to notice that they're black. People comment on it. When a perpetrator is white, he's just a perpetrator. People don't comment that they're white.

And post #25 illustrates the flip side of that.
BTW, I don't see "everyone" noticing black looters.
Moreover, it's rarely ever addressed.
BLM raised the visibility of looters' race by with
the claim of "reparations". Terrible PR move, eh.

Anyway, it appears that race relations & racism
are complicated.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The majority of poor people don't go around looting. So it isn't poverty.

The majority of homeless people don't abuse drugs, but homelessness does increase the likelihood of drug abuse. Same with poverty. When an area sees low social motility and high wealth disparity, and increased gentrification happens, crime goes up. Especially in young populations (who have the lowest percentage of wealth) and minorities (generational poverty, treatment of slums, reactionary instead of preventional social programs.)

Poverty undoubtedly encourages crime.

 

[Orbit]

Kinda like when a cop, black or white, shoots a white person its in the news as just a cop shooting.
If a black cop shoots a black person its in the news as just a cop shooting.
But if a white cop shoots a black person, hold the phone! Its all over the news as white cop shoots black person.

Well, obviously it's because there is a long history of white cops killing blacks, one that goes back to the origin of policing with the Slave Patrols. Of course that's going to take on a different meaning because there is a social and historical context there.

 

[We Never Know]

Well, obviously it's because there is a long history of white cops killing blacks, one that goes back to the origin of policing with the Slave Patrols. Of course that's going to take on a different meaning because there is a social and historical context there.

Well obviously when something like this happens(for examples George Floyd, Rodney King, Michael Brown) black people take to the streets in protest, riots and looting. Even looting and destroying business's owned by blacks.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, obviously it's because there is a long history of white cops killing blacks, one that goes back to the origin of policing with the Slave Patrols. Of course that's going to take on a different meaning because there is a social and historical context there.

NY wasn't a slave state. NYC's police department was formed
in 1829. It was modeled on London's. So we have a history of
policing existing without slave catching being its function.
(NYC has long been a hotbed of violent corrupt policing.)
But even if policing were once about slave catching, this doesn't
justify racist coverage of wrongful policing.

There's a long history of white cops killing white people...even
more of them than blacks in total number. Yet the media portray
all killings of blacks as racist. If white cops killing white men (95%
of deaths) isn't racist, then why are all killings of blacks racist....even
when it's black cops doing the killing? And why isn't racism the
explanation when black cops kill whites?
Such racist coverage in news is the reason (IMO) that whites see
deadly policing as merely a black problem. This (IMO) is why we
see so little impetus for policing & justice reform.
Racism is complicated, eh.

 

[Orbit]

Well obviously when something like this happens(for examples George Floyd, Rodney King, Michael Brown) black people take to the streets in protest, riots and looting. Even looting and destroying business's owned by blacks.

Riots are complicated. There's no one kind of person in a riot. There's different people motivated by different things. Some are genuinely outraged and are using "the language of the unheard" because no recourse through legitimate channels has ever worked. It's pure frustration on a mass level. Then there are opportunists who use the riot as an opportunity to loot, burn, and generally create mayhem because, well, everyone else is doing it. There are bystanders, who are just curious to watch the goings-on. So yeah, this stuff happens, and it's complicated.

 

[Revoltingest]

Back to the OP's topic....
We can hope for policing that protects people & business,
but that's unlikely to happen. It's not their legal duty so
it's not their focus.
The onus is on business to locate & operate in a manner
that minimizes the problem of shoplifting & looting.
Closing stores in areas with the problem is the responsible
thing to do, both for profit, & for employee safety.

 

[Revoltingest]

Riots are complicated. There's no one kind of person in a riot.

I'll wager that most people in a riot never intended
to be in one, & just want to avoid violence. BTW,
a friend in high school was beaten by cops just for
being in the wrong place & time at a demonstration.

 

[Orbit]

NY wasn't a slave state. NYC's police department was formed
in 1829. It was modeled on London's. So we have a history of
policing existing without slave catching being its function.
(NYC has long been a hotbed of violent corrupt policing.)
But even if policing were once about slave catching, this doesn't
justify racist coverage of wrongful policing.

There's a long history of white cops killing white people...even
more of them than blacks in total number. Yet the media portray
all killings of blacks as racist. If white cops killing white men (95%
of deaths) isn't racist, then why are all killings of blacks racist....even
when it's black cops doing the killing? And why isn't racism the
explanation when black cops kill whites?
Such racist coverage in news is the reason (IMO) that whites see
deadly policing as merely a black problem. This (IMO) is why we
see so little impetus for policing & justice reform.
Racism is complicated, eh.

I'm reminded of the NWA song "F the Police", where one of the lyrics is:
"But don't let it be a black and a white one [cop]
'Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top
Black police showing out for the white cop"

The North wasn't a non-racist wonderland. They might not have had slavery, but they had plenty of racism. I don't think you can get around the historically embedded racism in the U.S.; it's a context that just won't go away. So when reporters are reporting on stuff like this, they recognize that history, and so does the black community that draws attention to such cases, for better or for worse. It is what it is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It doesn't help when people act as lower out of control animals, and filmed doing so, they will be viewed by others as lower out of control animals.

 

[We Never Know]

Well, obviously it's because there is a long history of white cops killing blacks, one that goes back to the origin of policing with the Slave Patrols. Of course that's going to take on a different meaning because there is a social and historical context there.

People shot by police

Characteristic	White	Black
2019	424	251
2020	459	243
2021	446	233
2022	389	225

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

 

[Orbit]

People shot by police

Characteristic	White	Black
2019	424	251
2020	459	243
2021	446	233
2022	389	225

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

Yes, but Blacks are only 13% of the population, and are shot disproportionately to their presence in the population.

 

[We Never Know]

The majority of homeless people don't abuse drugs, but homelessness does increase the likelihood of drug abuse. Same with poverty. When an area sees low social motility and high wealth disparity, and increased gentrification happens, crime goes up. Especially in young populations (who have the lowest percentage of wealth) and minorities (generational poverty, treatment of slums, reactionary instead of preventional social programs.)

Poverty undoubtedly encourages crime.

Riot and looting are choices. Homeless isnt.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, but Blacks are only 13% of the population, and are shot disproportionately to their presence in the population.

That 13% sure does a lot of rioting and looting compared to others don't you think