Over 50 arrested after mobs ransacked/looted Philadelphia stores

[Stevicus]

This is why I was curious about the reason for pointing out the color of skin.

I would say the main reason is because the media show it and continue to make race an issue, even if it's sometimes subtle. It seems that, by the way we see these issues being presented to the general public, there may be those who actually want to elicit the reactions of the kind demonstrated by the OP.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is why I was curious about the reason for pointing out the color of skin. It's one thing to say that 99% of the people doing this are black and suggest this may have something to do with the history of race relations in the US, but another thing to point it out to connect black people with crimes.

I point out skin color often because it's necessary
to counter racist coverage in the news. As for
the other poster's motive regarding the looters,
you should ask him.
I'm pretty sure that "him" is his pronoun.

It is by definition racist to associate black people with crime based solely on the color of skin.

That's not the definition.
Call it a potential symptom.
But whether it is or not depends upon context.

So @We Never Know simply pointing out race without adding context in this case adds to the association of black people with crime.

He isn't as sophisticated as you & I.
So I recommend exploring his thoughts with him.

It's the same as Maine's former governor keeping a binder full of black criminals: LePage said his ‘drug dealer’ binder was 90% black or Hispanic. It’s not even close

Aye, racism by whites against blacks is rampant.
And this necessitates discussing race....also when
blacks are the perps. We shouldn't be selectively
race blind.

 

[We Never Know]

Neither do the majority of black people. So what's your point?

Never said the majority of black people go around looting. I said 99.9% of the people looting in this instance were black. Its fact. You can accept that or not. Doesn't matter to me.

 

[PureX]

Never said the majority of black people go around looting. I said 99.9% of the people looting in this instance were black. Its fact. You can accept that or not. Doesn't matter to me.

I don't understand why you think this "fact" is important enough that you had to point it out. What does the skin color of the looters have to do with anything?

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't understand why you think this "fact" is important enough that you had to point it out. What does the skin color of the looters have to do with anything?

It could spark discussion about many things....
- Disaffection of blacks due to racist policing.
- Blacks having a sub-culture of looting.
- Poverty affecting blacks.
- The paucity of mentioning race in such cases,
while if the looters were white, race would be
prominently addressed. It's tempting to bring
up the elephant in the room.

 

[1137]

Wait are we allowed to arrest non-republicans for this? Are they changing the rules?

 

[PureX]

I point out skin color often because it's necessary
to counter racist coverage in the news.

Ah, sort of like affirmative action?

As for
the other poster's motive regarding the looters,
you should ask him.
I'm pretty sure that "him" is his pronoun.

That's not the definition.
Call it a potential symptom.
But whether it is or not depends upon context.

He isn't as sophisticated as you & I.
So I recommend exploring his thoughts with him.

Aye, racism by whites against blacks is rampant.
And this necessitates discussing race....also when
blacks are the perps. We shouldn't be selectively
race blind.

Why not? Unless you think there is some reason that skin color Is driving the criminal behavior, why make note of the skin color of the perpitraitors?

 

[Revoltingest]

Ah, sort of like affirmative action?

In order to discuss race issues, eg, disparate
news coverage, it's necessary to identify people's
race. Do you oppose identifying race, eg, this
case....

‘I Can’t Breathe’: 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired After Black Man Dies in Custody (Published 2020)

“Being black in America should not be a death sentence,” the city’s mayor said as video of the arrest was widely shared.

www.nytimes.com

Why not? Unless you think there is some reason that skin color Is driving the criminal behavior, why make note of the skin color of the perpitraitors?

Do you think skin color is unrelated to behavior?
I don't. For example, when I see videos of hideously
racist behavior by white cops towards black civilians,
I believe that skin color correlates with those roles.
You think race is irrelevant? Or that it shouldn't be
discussed?

 

[We Never Know]

I don't understand why you think this "fact" is important enough that you had to point it out. What does the skin color of the looters have to do with anything?

Why make a note of skin color in...
For examples...

Black entertainment TV
Black music awards
Black Music Honors
Black Reel Awards

 

[We Never Know]

In order to discuss race issues, eg, disparate
news coverage, it's necessary to identify people's
race. Do you oppose identifying race, eg, this
case....

‘I Can’t Breathe’: 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired After Black Man Dies in Custody (Published 2020)

“Being black in America should not be a death sentence,” the city’s mayor said as video of the arrest was widely shared.

www.nytimes.com

Do you think skin color is unrelated to behavior?
I don't. For example, when I see videos of hideously
racist behavior by white cops towards black civilians,
I believe that skin color correlates with those roles.
You think race is irrelevant? Or that it shouldn't be
discussed?

Good luck

 

[We Never Know]

What did you want to debate?

I think its self explaining by the posts

 

[Revoltingest]

Info about the gal who livestreamed
& encouraged the looting...

Who Is Dayjia "Meatball" Blackwell? The Viral Star Arrested For Livestreaming Looting

Dayjia Blackwell, also known as Meatball, had been making headlines after livestreaming the September Philly lootings.

www.hotnewhiphop.com

 

[PureX]

In order to discuss race issues, eg, disparate
news coverage, it's necessary to identify people's
race. Do you oppose identifying race, eg, this
case....

‘I Can’t Breathe’: 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired After Black Man Dies in Custody (Published 2020)

“Being black in America should not be a death sentence,” the city’s mayor said as video of the arrest was widely shared.

www.nytimes.com

Do you think skin color is unrelated to behavior?

I am quite certain of it.

I don't. For example, when I see videos of hideously
racist behavior by white cops towards black civilians,
I believe that skin color correlates with those roles.
You think race is irrelevant? Or that it shouldn't be
discussed?

In order to discuss race issues, eg, disparate
news coverage, it's necessary to identify people's
race. Do you oppose identifying race, eg, this
case....

‘I Can’t Breathe’: 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired After Black Man Dies in Custody (Published 2020)

“Being black in America should not be a death sentence,” the city’s mayor said as video of the arrest was widely shared.

www.nytimes.com

Do you think skin color is unrelated to behavior?
I don't. For example, when I see videos of hideously
racist behavior by white cops towards black civilians,
I believe that skin color correlates with those roles.
You think race is irrelevant? Or that it shouldn't be
discussed?

But the cop's behavior is not being caused by his skin color, or by anyone else's. And the same is true for the looters. Which is why their skin color is irrelevant. Even in the case of a racist crime. And every time we insist that these are related, we promote racism.

Let's address the real reason that some cops behave this way, regardless of what color they are, or what color their victims are. And the same for the looting. The cause is NOT race. So let's stop conflating skin color with behavior and start addressing the REAL reasons for these criminal behaviors.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am quite certain of it.


But the cop's behavior is not being caused by his skin color, or by anyone else's.

You double posted.

Of course not.
And the same is true for the looters. Which is why their skin color is irrelevant. Even in the case of a racist crime. And every time we insist that these are related, we promote racism.

Let's address the real reason that some cops behave this way, regardless of what color they are, or what color their victims are. And the same for the looting. The cause is NOT race. So let's stop conflating skin color with behavior and start addressing the REAL reasons for these criminal behaviors.

You mis-use "conflating".
You mistake addressing race for claim of cause.
We will agree to disagree that race should be discussed more.

 

[Onasander]

Just a heads up, I worked a little over a decade in San Francsico as a security guard against flash mobs. It's always racially organized on the pretense that security cameras and guards won't be able to recognize the all Asian or all Black population nailing a joint. It's the default- so people noticing flash mobs are all the same color it a moot issue. It's the way they are designed.

For me, it was former SF Mayor Lee's China Town Tongs who would walk a few blocks down the street to the square and start looting the stores I had to guard (Chanel, Hermes, places like that). I solved it simply:

I asked what had resale value and what didn't, was told the H Belts and Scarfs and Braclets, high end purses. Nothing else could easily be resold for lots of money. So I as the security guard chose the stupid $800 belts, and said when they storm in, everyone take a position and grab or lock stuff up- only the stuff with resale value. I would hug those belts as a flood of Asians overran the store. I told anyone if threatened, just give it up, not worth it.

Guess what happened? Every other store would get raided, and I got alot of confused Asians peering at me as I hugged the belts while their frantic buddies ran crazy grabbing at worthless stuff. They didn't want to steal from us anymore.

Also guess what? After I left SF these lessons were not preserved, and now armed guards with automatic rifles and ski masks at the very places I guarded stand. Why? Because they are stupid and lost control, and responded like idiots.

Do recognize the racial components involved but also do recognize the financial component as well in flash mobs. These are NOT RIOTS. A riot isn't this organized and technical in targeting. Instead focus on risk mitigation and denial of valued products. Banks do it, they have a safe. If they just left it stacked on a shelf in the lobby with a guard, people would be developing methods to take the guard down and rush out with loads of money. It's common sense, stupid nobody would try.

But while I encourage recognizing the racial component, don't just write the entire population of that race off. Most Asians are not thieves. I dealt with them the most. Same for blacks. They just have some weird Causi Belli for doing these hits, even though it's pure pragmatic financial gain. Asians don't care, and I'm unaware of a all white flash mob from personal experience but most thefts attempted were whites from my experience. They just don't culturally flash mob places I once worked. They do small teams or on their own.

Lesson learned.... a flash mob isn't spontaneous, it is almost always racial in design, but a very low minority of that racial group actually engages in it, and white people still steal more crap but in different ways. You solve it by out thinking the problem, not by pointing fingers at entire races. Tactics change.

 

[Orbit]

Info about the gal who livestreamed
& encouraged the looting...

Who Is Dayjia "Meatball" Blackwell? The Viral Star Arrested For Livestreaming Looting

Dayjia Blackwell, also known as Meatball, had been making headlines after livestreaming the September Philly lootings.

www.hotnewhiphop.com

This is just so sad to read. What is wrong with people?

 

[Revoltingest]

This is just so sad to read. What is wrong with people?

In her case, she's young, & likely didn't consider
consequences of actions. I hope that this is
a learning experience that leads to resposnsible
adulthood. (I base this on her tearful reaction
to arrest.)

How many of us later in life look back on things
we did, & have a WTF-was-I-thinking moment, eh.
I'm lucky to be alive with a clean record.

 

[Valjean]

Socialist values have been on the rise.
Would you say that causes the increase
in looting & shoplifting?

Maybe the middle is choosing sides and moving to the extremes. The trend, though, has been more to the Right, for several decades.
I think social indifference may be a factor, as well. Few people are strongly motivated by abstract moral principles. Most just go along with their personal status communities, they conform. If a couple people decide to organize a flash mob of looters, just for fun, many of their friends will go along, rather than alienate themselves from the group.

 

[Valjean]

We live in a society where the citizens are commodities that can be exploited for profit through commercializing everything. Wealth, regardless of how you get it, is rewarded more than hardwork and bootstrap pulling.

We are taught that happiness and status can be bought but the symbols and toys aren't within everyone's reach. But it can be if you want to take a risk, and if you do and get caught, well, someone profits from that too. Prisons need inmates, news media needs clickable headlines, and politicians need fear mongering.

Good point. Wouldn't want to put the police or private prison corporations out of business.

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe the middle is choosing sides and moving to the extremes. The trend, though, has been more to the Right, for several decades.

Not with Democrats.
Overall, things have moved left.
Trump's Catholic SCOTUS is a recent hiccup.

I think social indifference may be a factor, as well. Few people are strongly motivated by abstract moral principles. Most just go along with their personal status communities, they conform. If a couple people decide to organize a flash mob of looters, just for fun, many of their friends will go along, rather than alienate themselves from the group.

Are ordinary morals, eg, don't steal, don't assault,
don't vandalize, really "abstract moral principles"?
Nah.
There's something morally lacking in people who
do those things. If they're kids, we can hope
that they'll grow out of it.