Over 50 arrested after mobs ransacked/looted Philadelphia stores

[Orbit]

That 13% sure does a lot of rioting and looting compared to others don't you think

I dunno. Have you seen all the riots when white fans teams did or didn't win a big game?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have

I'll wager that most people in a riot never intended
to be in one, & just want to avoid violence. BTW,
a friend in high school was beaten by cops just for
being in the wrong place & time at a demonstration.

Its a known fact that a lot of rioters come in from other states to stir up trouble. I dunno if that is the case here but I wouldn't be surprised if a number are out of state residents.

 

[Stevicus]

Oh, these poor victims.

Too bad there weren't some Kyles there. These cities are growing more and more anarchic. Best to leave.

We have some crime in my city, some gang-related and pretty bad stuff, but nothing like this.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm reminded of the NWA song "F the Police", where one of the lyrics is:
"But don't let it be a black and a white one [cop]
'Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top
Black police showing out for the white cop"

I recall from a Hidden Brain podcast that research
shows black cops are also racist against black folk.
"Implicit racism" was the subject.

The North wasn't a non-racist wonderland.

Never said it was.
But slave catching doesn't appear to be the
reason many cities formed police departments.
This would be obvious about London's, which
indicates that police are generally useful for society.

They might not have had slavery, but they had plenty of racism.

No doubt. But they also had a great deal
of corruption, incompetence, & attraction
for bullies, thugs, & criminals.

I don't think you can get around the historically embedded racism in the U.S.; it's a context that just won't go away.

I don't think that problematic policing can be
considered to be solely about racism. I argue
that racism & sexism are subsets of the more
general problem of corrupt, abusive, imperious,
& authoritarian policing.
No amount of diversity hiring (blackwashing)
will fix that fundamental problem.

So when reporters are reporting on stuff like this, they recognize that history, and so does the black community that draws attention to such cases, for better or for worse. It is what it is.

And this racist coverage perpetuates the problem
by keeping whites largely unaware that bad policing
harms them too.

Even though more whites are killed by cops than
blacks, when I ask people I know if they can name
anyone killed by cops, they know only of blacks.
They can't name one white person killed.
Can any here on RF do it (without an internet search)?

 

[We Never Know]

I dunno. Have you seen all the riots when white fans teams did or didn't win a big game?

Sure. Difference is they weren't "groups of thieves, apparently working together, smashed their way into stores in several areas of Philadelphia, stuffing plastic bags with merchandise and fleeing, authorities said".

 

[Orbit]

Sure. Difference is they weren't "groups of thieves, apparently working together, smashed their way into stores in several areas of Philadelphia, stuffing plastic bags with merchandise and fleeing, authorities said".

Oh, I wasn't saying the two events were equivalent, I was responding to your implying that white people don't riot.

 

[We Never Know]

Oh, I wasn't saying the two events were equivalent, I was responding to your implying that white people don't riot.

Where did I imply white people don't riot?

 

[Orbit]

Where did I imply white people don't riot?

Well, it kind of follows from your implying that black people are prone to riot.
You said this in a previous post: "That 13% sure does a lot of rioting and looting compared to others don't you think"

 

[We Never Know]

Well, it kind of follows from your implying that black people are prone to riot.
You said this in a previous post: "That 13% sure does a lot of rioting and looting compared to others don't you think"

Do you not agree with it?

 

[Orbit]

Do you not agree with it?

I think it might appear that way given that recent riots have explicitly been about racial issues involving black people. White people riot too, though. I'm thinking about sports riots, the January 6th insurrection, and labor riots of a bygone era.

I think there are a lot of reasons for black people rioting in general. History is messy. Social problems are messy. I'm not going to be able to explain it in a post. I was reading that the most recent looting had nothing to do with protests, but was just opportunistic criminal behavior.

 

[We Never Know]

I think it might appear that way given that recent riots have explicitly been about racial issues involving black people. White people riot too, though. I'm thinking about sports riots, the January 6th insurrection, and labor riots of a bygone era.

I think there are a lot of reasons for black people rioting in general. History is messy. Social problems are messy. I'm not going to be able to explain it in a post. I was reading that the most recent looting had nothing to do with protests, but was just opportunistic criminal behavior.

I notice you keep avoiding 'looting'
Many of those others riots you speak of aren't out looting

 

[Orbit]

I notice you keep avoiding 'looting'
Many of those others riots you speak of are out looting

I'm not avoiding anything. Looting is what happens in riots. And actually in my last post, if you look at it, I use the word "looting".

 

[We Never Know]

I think it might appear that way given that recent riots have explicitly been about racial issues involving black people. White people riot too, though. I'm thinking about sports riots, the January 6th insurrection, and labor riots of a bygone era.

I think there are a lot of reasons for black people rioting in general. History is messy. Social problems are messy. I'm not going to be able to explain it in a post. I was reading that the most recent looting had nothing to do with protests, but was just opportunistic criminal behavior.

"I was reading that the most recent looting had nothing to do with protests, but was just opportunistic criminal behavior"

As I noted in post #2

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Riot and looting are choices. Homeless isnt.

That changes nothing about the analogy. Rioting and looting would be analogous to the drug use which is a choice and homelessness to poverty.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Sure! White, black, asian or martian I would have pointed it out.

Should we ignore race in regards to crimes?
When whites are the perps, & blacks are the
victims, race is prominently discussed. Yet
that isn't typically decried as racist.
It strikes me that we progressives aren't
supposed to see blacks as perpetrators.
This seems racist.

This is why I was curious about the reason for pointing out the color of skin. It's one thing to say that 99% of the people doing this are black and suggest this may have something to do with the history of race relations in the US, but another thing to point it out to connect black people with crimes.

It is by definition racist to associate black people with crime based solely on the color of skin. So @We Never Know simply pointing out race without adding context in this case adds to the association of black people with crime.

It's the same as Maine's former governor keeping a binder full of black criminals: LePage said his ‘drug dealer’ binder was 90% black or Hispanic. It’s not even close

 

[PureX]

And before its even said, yes they are saying this isn't tied to the protests.

Of course it's tied to the protests. Every protest in every city has now become an excuse for looting.

 

[PureX]

The majority of poor people don't go around looting. So it isn't poverty.

Neither do the majority of black people. So what's your point?

 

[PureX]

I really don't see what skin color has to do with anything. Whether it's a cop shooting an unarmed citizen or a citizen looting a business. What does their skin color have to do with anything? What could possibly even be the point of stating it if not to cast racist aspersions?

 

[PureX]

Seeing crime gotten away with inspires people to behave criminally. Seeing cops, and politicians, and corporate CEOs, and priests and ministers and everyone else that is supposed to be upholding the principals we are all expected to live by breaking the laws, abusing those principals, and being rewarded for it just encourages anyone else that is criminally inclined to do the same.

It has nothing to do with skin color, or even being poor. It has to do with a culture that is increasingly rewarding criminal behavior, thus encouraging more criminal behavior.

So why are we rewarding criminal behavior? Because we have allowed criminals to take charge of our society and culture.

 

[Secret Chief]

I doubt these were republicans. Probably the easily offended, we are the victim, I'm entitled crowd.
I'm not racist one bit but I watched several videos and everyone(99.9%) I seen running around in the stores and running out with all they could carry were black.(who will be first to say that statement is racist lol)


"PHILADELPHIA — Dozens of people faced criminal charges Wednesday after a night of social media-fueled mayhem in which groups of thieves, apparently working together, smashed their way into stores in several areas of Philadelphia, stuffing plastic bags with merchandise and fleeing, authorities said.

Police said they made at least 52 arrests. Burglary, theft and other counts have been filed so far against at least 30 people, all but three of them adults, according to Jane Roh, spokesperson for the Philadelphia district attorney's office.

The flash mob-style ransacking Tuesday night at dozens of stores including Foot Locker, Lululemon and Apple came after a peaceful protest over a judge’s decision to dismiss murder and other charges against a Philadelphia police officer who shot and killed a driver, Eddie Irizarry, through a rolled-up window."

Over 50 arrested after mobs ransacked Philadelphia stores; dozens of liquor outlets are shut down

The flash mob-style ransacking Tuesday night at stores including Foot Locker, Lululemon and Apple came after a peaceful protest over a judge’s decision to dismiss murder and other charges against a Philadelphia police officer who shot and killed a driver, Eddie Irizarry, through a rolled-up window.

www.post-gazette.com

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