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Over 50 arrested after mobs ransacked/looted Philadelphia stores

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Not with Democrats.
Overall, things have moved left.
Trump's Catholic SCOTUS is a recent hiccup.

Are ordinary morals, eg, don't steal, don't assault,
don't vandalize, really "abstract moral principles"?
Nah.
There's something morally lacking in people who
do those things. If they're kids, we can hope
that they'll grow out of it.
No. The middle has moved far to the Right. The political positions and legislation passed by yesterday's Right-wing, like Nixon or Reagan, would have gotten them labeled radical leftists by today's GOP.

Consider these points from the Republican platform of the president on your birth day:

1. Provide federal assistance to low-income communities;
2. Protect Social Security;
3. Provide asylum for refugees;
4. Extend minimum wage;
5. Improve unemployment benefit system so it covers more people;
6. Strengthen labor laws so workers can more easily join a union;
7. Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of sex.
We wondered whether the meme accurately describes these elements of the 1956 platform, and if so, whether the 1956 document contrasts sharply with the most recent party platform in 2012. So we took a closer look.

Does this sound like today's conservatives?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No. The middle has moved far to the Right. The political positions and legislation passed by yesterday's Right-wing, like Nixon or Reagan, would have gotten them labeled radical leftists by today's GOP.

Consider these points from the Republican platform of the president on your birth day:



Does this sound like today's conservatives?
The Republicans used to also be the party of science at one time. I think that it was during Reagan's term that they began to reverse course on that.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No. The middle has moved far to the Right. The political positions and legislation passed by yesterday's Right-wing, like Nixon or Reagan, would have gotten them labeled radical leftists by today's GOP.

Consider these points from the Republican platform of the president on your birth day:



Does this sound like today's conservatives?
And yet it was Republicans who were after the
50s stronger on civil rights than Democrats.
They've also raised taxes, & some even supported
gay marriage before Democrats, eg, Clintons,
Obama, did. But even they have moved left,
albeit reluctantly.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I don't remember their being more pro science than Dems.
You do?

Why do you think that?
It seemed that way. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson thought that too. I can't remember the talk for sure, but if I recall correctly it was about AGW.and how the Republicans used to be the party of science. And I think that it was the cold war and the need to keep ahead of the Ruskies that kept the Republicans supporters of science.

As to when it changed it may have been under Bush senior. He openly supported creationists.
 
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Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
No. The middle has moved far to the Right. The political positions and legislation passed by yesterday's Right-wing, like Nixon or Reagan, would have gotten them labeled radical leftists by today's GOP.

Consider these points from the Republican platform of the president on your birth day:



Does this sound like today's conservatives?

That doesn't even sound like today's liberals, especially on issues such as minimum wage, healthcare, education, labor. There was also a big focus on urban renewal and transportation back in those days, whereas today, both parties sit idly by while the roads fall apart and the cities crumble.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I point out skin color often because it's necessary
to counter racist coverage in the news.

Yes. I agree.

As for
the other poster's motive regarding the looters,
you should ask him.
I'm pretty sure that "him" is his pronoun.

I did. Did I misgender?

That's not the definition.
Call it a potential symptom.
But whether it is or not depends upon context.

Believing that a group of people by virtue of skin color alone are more likely to be criminals is:

"a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"


He isn't as sophisticated as you & I.
So I recommend exploring his thoughts with him.

Hence my attempts here.

Aye, racism by whites against blacks is rampant.
And this necessitates discussing race....also when
blacks are the perps. We shouldn't be selectively
race blind.

I agree.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It seemed that way. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson thought that too. I can't remember the talk for sure, but if I recall correctly it was about AGW.and how the Republicans used to be the party of science. And I think that it was the cold war and the need to keep ahead of the Ruskies that kept the Republicans supporters of science.

As to when it changed it may have been under Bush senior. He openly supported creationists.
There is more than 1 kind of science to politicians.
To Pubs, military technology related science is strongly
supported (less so by Reagan these days). Some science
is a political football, eg, Carter administration's shutting
down research on minority elderly benefits, Republican
hostility to science related to evolution, abortion.

You could be right. I just don't see a clear situation.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There is more than 1 kind of science to politicians.
To Pubs, military technology related science is strongly
supported (less so by Reagan these days). Some science
is a political football, eg, Carter administration's shutting
down research on minority elderly benefits, Republican
hostility to science related to evolution, abortion.

You could be right. I just don't see a clear situation.
Probably largely due to the military benefit Republicans were more willing to support science in general. Where Democrats focused more on social events.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I did. Did I misgender?
Just a joke that his gender would be in question.
Believing that a group of people by virtue of skin color alone are more likely to be criminals is:

"a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"

The way you phrased that raises a distinction....
There could indeed be a correlation between skin color
& committing crimes. Skin color is associated with many
factors that could result in disparate likelihood, eg,
cultural separation, enduring oppression, poverty.
This would be facing reality, rather than being racist.

Of course, this doesn't mean that propensity to commit
crimes is inherent to color. That would fit the bill of racism.
BTW, I find it wrongful to treat people as being more or
less likely to commit crimes based on color.
Sharing one brain, eh.
 
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