Subduction Zone
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Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5:11-29 - New International Version
Oh oh! Don't worry, it is in the Bible so this sort of abortion is Republican approved!
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Overturning Roe V Wade
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Oh oh! Don't worry, it is in the Bible so this sort of abortion is Republican approved!
SkepticThinker
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If you don't want, or can't afford the burden of carrying, giving birth to, and raising a child, then abortion should be an option.
SkepticThinker
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They're instances that demonstrate the high costs attached to pregnancy.
No...
No comparison. You don't say "I won't buy a car because I may have a crash" and you don't buy a car if you know you can't keep it. If you have a car and say "I can't afford it" -- you sell it. (not that you would sell a baby - but there are options like adoption.
Illogical in thinking and presentation.
You will have to come to a better logical position than this paltry effort.
BUT... back to the issue...
It just goes back to the states.
SkepticThinker
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My fingers are crossed.
SkepticThinker
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Eesh!
And no one is saying "Don't get an abortion if your life is in danger"
Why not tie tubes or have a vasectomy?
Get a new doctor?
But it is better than millions and millions and millions of abortions (and cheaper) isn't it?
Subduction Zone
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Sorry you did not follow the analogy properly. One takes into account that one will crash when one puts on a seatbelt. One takes into account possible complications when having an abortion. By the way, that is both complications from the abortion and from the pregnancy. You failed when you said it was moving the goalposts.
Which brings us back to square one.
1) When during gestation should abortion not be allowed anymore
2) When does a fetus become a baby (scientifically)
3) And, personally speaking, when does two wrongs make a right. Is it the babies fault he/she was created?
Trailblazer
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I agree.
Literally there are people are saying that. Or what they and lawmakers consider life in danger is nebulous enough to allow for instances of patients dying while doctors are worried about liability.
But I wasn't talking about just life threatening complications. You don't need that for ridiculous expense.
As for tubal libations amd vasectomies, plenty of people get them only to find out they can fail. And plenty of others would love to get them but can't afford them or, get this, are refused by doctors who often won't preform sterility surgeries on women until after they're 35 because they're worried about being sued *by the husbands.*
No.. your logic failed. Abortion isn't preventative... birth control is preventative. (a better analogy)
Try again please.
Subduction Zone
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I don't think that this will trigger the Blue Wave that was half way expected when Biden won. But I do expect so see some changes. Perhaps enough to pass a federal law on abortion. Though I wonder about the Constitutionality about that. If anything, funding of states from various programs could be tied into their abortion laws. We saw it with speed limits, why not abortions? Once again, 59% of Americans are pro-abortion.
Subduction Zone
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You have to be kidding me. Of course it is. You won't get complications due to a pregnancy if you get an abortion.
Perhaps you can explain how one is still at risk of those complications.
A pregnancy should be able to be ended at any point in pregnancy. If point of reasonable viability has been reached (25 weeks or do) then ending the pregnancy by induced birth or by c-section should be attempted unless due to things like hemorrhagic bleeding or organ failure or seizure live birth would be untenable. Left purely to doctor discretion and not to be determined by the courts.
Irrelevant. My answer would be the same if it was a fully grown adult in there, let alone a baby.
Irrelevant. Under no circumstances does being at fault make removal of body autonomy permissible. Which is why you can't force a drunk driver to hand over blood and organ tissue if they hit someone.
Trailblazer
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Childbirth is not a natural consequence of having sex.
Consent to sex comes with the risk of getting pregnant, especially if someone does not use adequate birth control.
If a woman does not want to take any chances then she should either be really careful with birth control or not have sex. It really is as simple as that.
I agree that birth control should be used if available. Hell I use 3 (two are incidentally part of hormone disorder treatment). That said, doesn't change my position on abortion.
SkepticThinker
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What is it that you're not getting about the absurdly high cost of accessing and receiving medical care in the US? It's like you're going out of your way to avoid it.
SkepticThinker
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That does nothing to help them deal with their two unwanted pregnancies that already occurred.
Accidents happen, is the point.