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Overturning Roe V Wade

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Sirona said:
There may be nymphomaniac women too, as well but most women who have been in relationship with men can tell that overall, many men tend want sex more (often) than women and some keep nagging and begging like little children until they get what they want. Men also tend to have affairs or go to prostitutes more than women to fulfill their sexual urges. I find it very interesting that all "blame" for unwanted children is put on women only and none on the responsibility of men although it takes two to tango, especially in this matter.
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Ultimately, unless it is a rape, the woman is responsible for consenting to sex so Imo she is responsible for any unwanted pregnancies. It takes two to tango but there can be no tango without two.
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Trailblazer said:
It is my religious belief that the soul comes into existence at the time of conception and the soul is a person. That cannot be proven because religious beliefs cannot be proven.
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Do you think your religious beliefs should be imposed on others via state law? You're entitled to your beliefs even if you can't prove them, but once you argue that they should influence state law and consequently affect others' lives and freedoms, then it seems to me you should either be able to prove them or keep them out of the law.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

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KenS said:
I don't think that financial ruin is part of the issue. If you are pregnant, there are helps to have the child within your budget. Then, when you have a child, you have extra food stamps, extra medicare, extra baby necessities, child end-of-year credit financial gift and other things.
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Hmmm ...

Study: Financial hardship prevalent during and after pregnancy
The U.S. birth rate began dropping years before the pandemic. Here's why
American Way of Birth, Costliest in the World (Published 2013)
Unintended Pregnancy and Its Adverse Social and Economic Consequences on Health System: A Narrative Review Article


"The report identifies disparities in care based on ethnicity, income, and immigration status, among other factors, as major contributors to the maternal health care crisis. Women of color, who are more likely to die in pregnancy and childbirth than white women, make up a disproportionate number of women who receive health care from publicly funded programs, which suffer from insufficient resources to deliver effective prenatal, maternal, and postpartum care.

Other barriers to maternal health care include language barriers, restricted appointment hours, and a shortage of facilities with adequately trained professionals (in both rural areas and inner cities)."


And on top of that, the US has an absurdly high maternal mortality rate, compared to other developed countries.

Maternal Mortality Rates in the United States, 2020.
Maternal Mortality and Maternity Care in the United States Compared to 10 Other Developed Countries



A lot of those certainly sound like financially-related/economic issues to me.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

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KenS said:
There is no "one - issue" that encompasses a politician. Suffice to say I am PRO helping pregnancy women when necessary and would disagree with the politician who wanted to take that social safety net away.
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Do you support the use of birth control?
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Subduction Zone said:
That is fine for you. Then simply do not get an abortion. Problem sovled.
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No, that does not solve the problem which is a problem that society and the government has to contend with, and perhaps this is a step in the right direction to send the decision back to the states as it was never a constitutional right.
Subduction Zone said:
It is not necessarily a selfish decision. If the person cannot afford, a baby, if it would put an undue hardship upon a person it is not selfish. It is rational. What you are suggesting is not just nine months of slavery for an oops, it is 18 years or more.
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The woman should have thought about that before she had sex. Accidents happen even when using birth control but that is not why the bulk of abortions are being performed.

No woman has to keep a baby carried to term since there are many women who cannot have children who would be ecstatic to adopt that baby. Thus that cannot be used as an excuse.
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When are you not allowed to interfere in the lives of others when you have only a belief that you cannot support properly?
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I am not trying to interfere in the lives of others, I am just offering my personal opinion. Baha'is are disallowed from being involved in politics.
Subduction Zone said:
When it comes one's own life, then it takes much less justification to not have an abortion over when it is someone else's life that you are talking about.
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Since I believe in free will I believe everyone has to make their own decisions and everyone is responsible for their own decisions. Women have a right to do whatever is permitted under the law and they have to live with that decision.

I am not legislating morality for anyone and I do not believe in judging anyone, but I do have my own personal opinions.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Debater Slayer said:
Do you think your religious beliefs should be imposed on others via state law? You're entitled to your beliefs even if you can't prove them, but once you argue that they should influence state law and consequently affect others' lives and freedoms, then it seems to me you should either be able to prove them or keep them out of the law.
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No, I absolutely do not think that my religious beliefs should be imposed on others via state law.
Baha'is are not allowed to be involved in politics. All I have is a personal opinion.

“The Faith which this order serves, safeguards and promotes is … essentially supernatural, supranational, entirely non-political, non-partisan, and diametrically opposed to any policy or school of thought that seeks to exalt any particular race, class or nation.” The Promised Day Is Come, vi
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
SomeRandom said:
So I’m sure many have heard that the Supreme Court is mulling over whether or not to overturn Roe V Wade. It looks like they are, that’s what the news stations are saying anyway

But as a non American I fear I may not fully understand the implications.

So can you help me out a bit here guys?

What does that hypothetical scenario look like in the long run?

Can it be legally challenged?

Why would this be decided by your Supreme Court in the first place? This is like a constitution thing, is that right?

And do you think this will set off a chain reaction of some kind?
I can only imagine the protests that would occur if something similar happened in literally any other Western Nation today.
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One thing I do know -- no Conservative party can be elected to a majority in Canada if they let on that they are planning to open up the abortion issue -- and when Conservative governments ARE elected, they stay religiously away from it. They know the consequences would be the end of their ability to govern again.

And millions of women will be going to the polls in November -- and in 2024 -- and you would be surprised how many of them have made that little "day trip" that is never, ever spoken of again (not to a vacation spot, but a city with a clinic, "going to meet a high-school friend, yeah") who will be wanting to protect that right for their daughters.

I very seriously believe that the Republicans are going to really regret their maneuvering to stack the court with Conservatives, because this will come back to bite them.
 
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