Overturning Roe V Wade

[SkepticThinker]

" Body autonomy" is some absolute right?

With the absolute right to kill to preserve it,
however little inconvemience or how short a time?

If someone tries to rape me, i will maim
or kill in any way I possibly can.

If I were a young man inducted into the army,
" body autonomy" wont mean much.

Where do you figure body autonomy starts and ends? How much of what kind?
Is here nothing more important than any infringement?

If you don't have bodily autonomy, you have nothing.

 

[fantome profane]

I was classified as "poor" but had three children successfully

I assume what you mean to say is that your wife had three children. And if so that was her choice. I think we can all respect her right to make that choice.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Constitutional is what SCOTUS says it is. This court might easily and I think likely allow states to charge people who get abortions out of state with murder.

US states could ban people from traveling for abortions, experts warn

Lets just wait until this case is actually decided. Also, if the supreme court ruled that police can search your home without any cause was unconstitutional would it actually be unconstitutional?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Perhaps they realize that the pregnant woman is a person, who deserves autonomy over her own body, while a fetus is not a person.

Yes, this is what many believe.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Interesting viewpoint.

I wonder what you classify as "poor" and the assumption that if you are "poor" you can't have a family. (I was classified as "poor" but had three children successfully)

It is interesting that with all the helps that are offered why you see it as a "poor" issue or whether that is just a catchall phrase to justify the end.

But, be that as it may... let's look at this just a little deeper.

At what age of gestation do you agree with the position of "It is no longer acceptable to abort"?

In a country where you have to pay out of pocket to receive healthcare, the risk of financial strain\ruin is very real. I don't see how you can force people to have children under such circumstances.

 

[Kenny]

I assume what you mean to say is that your wife had three children. And if so that was her choice. I think we can all respect her right to make that choice.

I think the point was that it was a "poor" problem. I'm just saying just because one is "poor", having babies isn't a problem.

 

[Kenny]

In a country where you have to pay out of pocket to receive healthcare, the risk of financial strain\ruin is very real. I don't see how you can force people to have children under such circumstances.

I don't think that financial ruin is part of the issue. If you are pregnant, there are helps to have the child within your budget. Then, when you have a child, you have extra food stamps, extra medicare, extra baby necessities, child end-of-year credit financial gift and other things.

 

[fantome profane]

I think the point was that it was a "poor" problem. I'm just saying just because one is "poor", having babies isn't a problem.

If they choose to do so.

 

[sun rise]

Lets just wait until this case is actually decided. Also, if the supreme court ruled that police can search your home without any cause was unconstitutional would it actually be unconstitutional?

Yes. That's the job of the court. Are you denying the role of SCOTUS in the American legal system because you appear to be doing so.

 

[fantome profane]

I don't think that financial ruin is part of the issue. If you are pregnant, there are helps to have the child within your budget. Then, when you have a child, you have extra food stamps, extra medicare, extra baby necessities, child end-of-year credit financial gift and other things.

Good point. And if those things were stopped or decreased it would make things much harder on expectant mothers. If those things were not there the abortion rate would go up.

Would you ever vote for a politician who promised to take away that social safety net?

 

[GardenLady]

Basically, at that point, it simply goes to the individual States to make their decision what they want to do. You will have some states that will be pro-life and others pro-abortion.

“Pro-abortion” is a false representation. Thinking it should be a legally available option doesn’t mean someone thinks it’s a great idea. But there are times when it’s one of several unfortunate choices.

 

[Kenny]

If they choose to do so.

Which is why it will go back to the states.

 

[Kenny]

Good point. And if those things were stopped or decreased it would make things much harder on expectant mothers. If those things were not there the abortion rate would go up.

Would you ever vote for a politician who promised to take away that social safety net?

There is no "one - issue" that encompasses a politician. Suffice to say I am PRO helping pregnancy women when necessary and would disagree with the politician who wanted to take that social safety net away.

 

[Trailblazer]

No rights are absolute. But they are still rights.

What about the rights of the unborn?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Yes. That's the job of the court. Are you denying the role of SCOTUS in the American legal system because you appear to be doing so.

No. What they rule will be the law, however that does not mean they are correct. To rule that police have unlimited access to your home for any reason at any time directly contradicts the words of the 4th amendment. My point is that the ruling would not be according to the constitution just like Roe v Wade. If this decision on Roe is the actual decision would you agree that it is the correct decision per the constitution?

 

[fantome profane]

Which is why it will go back to the states.

Why not just go all the way back to the woman?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What about the rights of the unborn?

Do they have rights? That is a big question.

 

[GardenLady]

At least there are states rights which one can go to a state where it's legal as well if things dont turn out on a federal level.

This observation applies only to people with the means to do so. If Roe is overturned, poor women in Red states are those who will be most affected.

 

[Trailblazer]

So if I kill a person without them feeling pain it is ok?

No, it isn't.

 

[fantome profane]

What about the rights of the unborn?

Are in the hands of the mother.