Overturning Roe V Wade

[Kenny]

One's bias relates to their individual perception, and groups of people coalesce around different perceptions they share, to impose the quality of those perceptions onto the land. So often when they do that, however, they create the possibility of perceptual imposition on out-groups, once they gain a critical mass of agreement.

I would agree.

 

[GardenLady]

Moreover, the woman should have thought of the possibility or pregnancy before she hopped in bed.

Why is it you people never say a man should keep it in his pants?

 

[GardenLady]

Only if abortions were banned nationwide would we have something to discuss.

The availability of abortion in other states means little or nothing to a poor women in some Red state who has no money, nobody to care for any current children, and a job she can afford to lose by taking a few days off.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I think that the human body, in difference to many of the other organisms, but not all, is designed much like a satellite dish. And that satellite dish is what picks up the thoughts, ideas, and beliefs which are all totally extracurricular to the experiences of any other greater ape. The source therefore, is our access to a river or immaterial continuity, which wants to join with the material continuity of the body. My belief is that the former conception cannot die materially, but can jump between material forms that do not last forever, because they are physical

That is not a source. It is a claim.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

The IX'th reads:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Personally my sense of the 9th amendment is that Roe v Wade was Constitutionally decided.

It was decided per the constitutional process, however it was a wrong decision. There is no right to abortion in the constitution. If there is let me know. If you read Roe v Wade they makeup the right. Once the supreme court rules it does not mean it is set in stone. They can correct bad decisions. Like separate but equal and Japanese internment camps.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

The court interprets and thereby decides what is or is not constitutional. Sometimes they later determine they got it wrong and go a different direction. That seems to be their justification this time. And they don’t take it lightly. The opinion is nearly 100 pages.

I agree.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

What different about them and the upwards of 50% of all pregnancies that naturally terminate?

It is a sad thing that many pregnancies do not make it. That does not make it moral to intentionally kill a fetus. Maybe we should try to stop the natural abortions from happening.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why is it you people never say a man should keep it in his pants?

Men can't get pregnant so one could argue that they are not "the problem". I would say "Men can't get pregnant, they do not have a vote in this matter."

Hmm, what way did the women on the Supreme Court vote?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is a sad thing that many pregnancies do not make it. That does not make it moral to intentionally kill a fetus. Maybe we should try to stop the natural abortions from happening.

Sounds reasonable. If one wants to ban legal abortions in one's state one would have to ban all of them. That should fix the problem.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Sounds reasonable. If one wants to ban legal abortions in one's state one would have to ban all of them. That should fix the problem.

That is not how federalism or a constitutional republic works.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is not how federalism or a constitutional republic works.

I know that. but it is a fair solution. And it could be. Just think if enough women got in power and made a similar law about men's junk. They could order everyone to get a circumcision, and without anesthesia. It would not be too different than what is being done to women.

 

[fantome profane]

That is not how federalism or a constitutional republic works.

Makes me wonder who carved that lie above the entrance to the Supreme Court building. Because it obviously isn’t true and it seems they have no intention of even trying.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

That is not a source. It is a claim.

What is closest to the foundation level, regarding any of the decisions that humans have ever made? Claims, or sources? Do you have things that we might also regard as claims, that you think are important?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I know that. but it is a fair solution. And it could be. Just think if enough women got in power and made a similar law about men's junk. They could order everyone to get a circumcision, and without anesthesia. It would not be too different than what is being done to women.

It is different, a difference you are unwilling to have a conversation about.

If this leaked decision is the actual decision then if you want abortion to be legal in all states then either pass a constitution amendment or pass laws in all states. You have options.

 

[fantome profane]

What is closest to the foundation level, regarding any of the decisions that humans have ever made? Claims, or sources?

Beer.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Makes me wonder who carved that lie above the entrance to the Supreme Court building. Because it obviously isn’t true and it seems they have no intention of even trying.

The entire issue is about equal justice. Equal justice for the unborn.

 

[fantome profane]

It is different, a difference you are unwilling to have a conversation about.

If this leaked decision is the actual decision then if you want abortion to be legal in all states then either pass a constitution amendment or pass laws in all states. You have options.

No you don’t. Congress could just pass a law.

(I mean, if Congress could just pass a law, which seems unlikely)

 

[fantome profane]

The entire issue is about equal justice. Equal justice for the unborn.

What makes you think they want to be born?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

No you don’t. Congress could just pass a law.

(I mean, if Congress could just pass a law, which seems unlikely)

No they cannot. If Roe v Wade is overturned then the issue is left to the states. Can the US congress just pass a law outlawing the right to due process or petition the government?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

What makes you think they want to be born?

We will never know, that is why we should err on the side of being born. Does not everyone have a right to life?

 

[fantome profane]

No they cannot. If Roe v Wade is overturned then the issue is left to the states. Can the US congress just pass a law outlawing the right to due process or petition the government?

No, because those are constitutional rights.

But there is no constitutional right to ban abortion.