Paid Maternity Leave

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

The USA is one of the last countries on Earth that does not guarantee paid maternity leave for new moms. Given the financial strain that families can be put under to take time away from work to give birth and care for a newborn, and the fact that around the country states are making it illegal to terminate a pregnancy, this strikes me as a no-brainer. Why shouldn't we ensure that new moms are financially supported while caring for a new child?

I'm confident that every prolifer who cares so deeply about the right to life will join me in supporting this. Right?

It's a no brainer, but Republican's aren't pro life. They just want to punish woman for having casual sex.

 

[Left Coast]

It's a no brainer, but Republican's aren't pro life. They just want to punish woman for having casual sex.

Seems like it.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

It's a no brainer, but Republican's aren't pro life. They just want to punish woman for having casual sex.

I think there's more to it than that. They fear that God will punish the nation for there being abortions, because TV and YouTube pastors talk about this deflection in rants, but also want to pinch pennies on anything that doesn't have to do with large corporations.

Modern-day evangelical Christianity gets pretty complex. It claims to follow the Bible, but its own ideologies are like they scripted a Bible 2.0, in my opinion.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

I think there's more to it than that. They fear that God will punish the nation for there being abortions, because TV and YouTube pastors talk about this deflection in rants, but also want to pinch pennies on anything that doesn't have to do with large corporations.

Modern-day evangelical Christianity gets pretty complex. It claims to follow the Bible, but its own ideologies are like they scripted a Bible 2.0, in my opinion.

I can see were your coming from, but evangelical christians get abortions around the same amount as other religions. So it's not like there too scared.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's a no brainer, but Republican's aren't pro life. They just want to punish woman for having casual sex.

I don't think so.
There are so many promiscuous women out there who sleep with so many men. They don't get pregnant because they are on birth control. And use condoms too.

They are punishing women who wont use contraceptives. Even the most monogamous ones.

 

[fantome profane]

For the most part, I like Canada's approach:

- 15 weeks pregnancy leave (must be taken by the person giving birth)

- 40 weeks parental leave (can be split between either parent as they choose, except that one parent can't take more than 35 weeks)... OR the same amount of money over 69 weeks (with 61 weeks as the maximum claimable by one parent)

... all of this being job-protected.

And parents adopting a child get parental leave (but not pregnancy leave), too.

Happy Canada Day!

 

[Left Coast]

So far just one prolifer has come forward. How odd...

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

I don't think so.
There are so many promiscuous women out there who sleep with so many men. They don't get pregnant because they are on birth control. And use condoms too.

They are punishing women who wont use contraceptives. Even the most monogamous ones.

If Republicans were pro life they would put forth bills that actually help people. They don't. They actively vote against the bill that would help with the formula shortage. They voted against the bill that would have capped the price gauging for gas. They activitly oppose any bill that will make healthcare a not for profit system. They oppose all form of education out a culture war about crt. I could go on, but I don't want to be here all night.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I don't think so.
There are so many promiscuous women out there who sleep with so many men. They don't get pregnant because they are on birth control. And use condoms too.

They are punishing women who wont use contraceptives. Even the most monogamous ones.

Then there are states who are thinking of banning contraception. They want to punish people who enjoy sex for its own sake without thinking of procreation. That's an issue for Yahweh to deal with, since he made us that way.

 

[Estro Felino]

Then there are states who are thinking of banning contraception. They want to punish people who enjoy sex for its own sake without thinking of procreation. That's an issue for Yahweh to deal with, since he made us that way.

That would be worse than the worst dictatorship.
And it would be utterly outrageous.

 

[Watchmen]

I’m not a pro-lifer, but I think the argument is something like this:

Abortion is bad because it’s murder—killing life.

So you keep the baby, but that doesn’t mean I have to help you. There’s consequences for your actions and YOU, not the state, need to figure out how to get on. If you legitimately need a hand up, we’ll help you, but don’t expect to be on the dole forever.

 

[Revoltingest]

capitalism and love often conflict. shows you what are the treasure of someone's heart. but everyone knows some people want their cake and eat it too. the decision is inevitable, eventually you eat when you get hungry enough, or perish.

Capitalism isn't the problem. Government can certainly
use tax dollars to provide the benefit. (Better usage than
waging interminable pointless wars.) But people here are
fixated on the belief that one's employer must pay the new
parents to stay home with Junior.
(It's oft said "I dint get none of the whoopee, so I shouldn't
be forced to pay for the whelp.")

 

[SkepticThinker]

I’m not a pro-lifer, but I think the argument is something like this:

Abortion is bad because it’s murder—killing life.

So you keep the baby, but that doesn’t mean I have to help you. There’s consequences for your actions and YOU, not the state, need to figure out how to get on. If you legitimately need a hand up, we’ll help you, but don’t expect to be on the dole forever.

It might be pretty difficult for people to get off the dole when they're being forced to birth children they can't support.

 

[Fool]

Capitalism isn't the problem. Government can certainly
use tax dollars to provide the benefit. (Better usage than
waging interminable pointless wars.) But people here are
fixated on the belief that one's employer must pay the new
parents to stay home with Junior.
(It's oft said "I dint get none of the whoopee, so I shouldn't
be forced to pay for the whelp.")

capitalism eventually fails or breaks down at some point. it creates a hierarchy that can't be sustainable because the few will have most of the resources that the majority can't afford. service to self is not sustainable. it pits the service to self against the majority.


so love or money, wealth, power




The Pitchforks Are Coming… For Us Plutocrats

 

[Revoltingest]

capitalism eventually fails or breaks down at some point.

All economic systems break down, so that's
not a real criticism. What matters is how well
they function generally, & long term stability
regarding various goals.
In that view, capitalism sure beats all alternatives.

it creates a hierarchy that can't be sustainable because the few will have most of the resources that the majority can't afford.

Alternatives to capitalism are even more hierarchical.
And they also concentrate resources in the hands of
the few...just party leaders rather than the wealthy.

service to self is not sustainable. it pits the service to self against the majority.

Service to self is wonderful. It generates more
economic prowess than do the alternatives, which
languish in malaise & oppression.

so love or money, wealth, power

You're not addressing that economic systems exist
in the framework of a government. It collects taxes
to use for (ostensibly) the public good. Our government
chooses to not offer maternity benefits. It prefers to
spend money on useless things like bogus wars &
lulxuries for the political elite. Voters have decided
that it should be so. Don't like it? Vote differently.

 

[Fool]

All economic systems break down, so that's
not a real criticism. What matters is how well
they function generally, & long term stability
regarding various goals.
In that view, capitalism sure beats all alternatives.

Alternatives to capitalism are even more hierarchical.
And they also concentrate resources in the hands of
the few...just party leaders rather than the wealthy.

Service to self is wonderful. It generates more
economic prowess than do the alternatives, which
languish in malaise & oppression.

You're not addressing that economic systems exist
in the framework of a government. It collects taxes
to use for (ostensibly) the public good. Our government
chooses to not offer maternity benefits. It prefers to
spend money on useless things like bogus wars &
lulxuries for the political elite. Voters have decided
that it should be so. Don't like it? Vote differently.

i don't know. evidently the catholics, hindu, buddhist, and other monasteries/nunneries have been flourishing for thousands of years and they don't operate off of capitalism

 

[Revoltingest]

i don't know. evidently the catholics, hindu, buddhist, and other monasteries/nunneries have been flourishing for thousands of years and they don't operate off of capitalism

Those aren't economic systems.
They're charitable beneficiaries.

I wouldn't propose that Ameristan
become a monastery/nunnery for
the purpose of child care.

 

[Watchmen]

It might be pretty difficult for people to get off the dole when they're being forced to birth children they can't support.

Of course it’s difficult. Taking responsibility often is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course it’s difficult. Taking responsibility often is.

Yeah so let's force people to have children they can't afford and then crap all over them for being "on the dole."

 

[metis]

The USA is one of the last countries on Earth that does not guarantee paid maternity leave for new moms. Given the financial strain that families can be put under to take time away from work to give birth and care for a newborn, and the fact that around the country states are making it illegal to terminate a pregnancy, this strikes me as a no-brainer. Why shouldn't we ensure that new moms are financially supported while caring for a new child?

I'm confident that every prolifer who cares so deeply about the right to life will join me in supporting this. Right?

Yep, as studies have shown it to be effective, especially if both parents are included.