palestine is for Jews or arabs ?

[Godobeyer]

Maybe they thought of it as a way to honor Israel the prophet . I dont know. But Israel is not the weirdest name I have read. If you really want something odd, look at Uruguay. Or... "You are gay" .
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Homer Simpson - URUGUAY [ English, HQ ] - YouTube

they honor the gay :thud:

 

[Godobeyer]

The Qur'an already validated the use of the name Israel as a people and a nation. the term Children of Israel has been used for centuries by Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
Your holy book has used the term Children of Israel. was the Qur'an wrong to refer to the Jews as the Children of Israel?

the jews = Children of Israel
any other question ?

 

[Godobeyer]

You may tell yourself that you are preferred by God everyday if you want to. it doesn't change the fact that your countries are in some of the poorest state on earth, while Israel prospers.
but at least, you think that the Jews are cursed and that God preferred you. if that is a comfort.

that's what your Holy Books said

 

[Kerr]

they honor the gay :thud:

Lol, no, I think its just a coincidence (Uruguay talks spanish, if I am not mistaken). Still, its a funny coincidence xD.

 

[Godobeyer]

If this is true, its some weird childish thing. Like a boyfriend who gets mad at his girlfriend so he makes her jealous by filtering with another girl.

yes of course , Elohim said that He will make you jealous in Torah , by other nation .

 

[Godobeyer]

Lol, no, I think its just a coincidence (Uruguay talks spanish, if I am not mistaken). Still, its a funny coincidence xD.

I hope that we had not uruguay members , they will report you

 

[JacobEzra.]

yes of course , Elohim said that He will make you jealous in Torah , by other nation .

But that is how YOU interpretate it.


Yet nothing of the sort has happened along the lines of your interpretation of it.

 

[Kerr]

I hope that we had not uruguay members , they will report you

Ohhh, I didnt mean to insult anyone. If anyone finds it insulting I am sorry.

 

[Godobeyer]

But that is how YOU interpretate it.


Yet nothing of the sort has happened along the lines of your interpretation of it.

what kind of interpretate ?
jewish view ? when you explained the word in hebrew "Elohim" as an "angel", i lost the trust in your interpretation .
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/judaism-dir/127979-i-have-questions-4.html

 

[Caladan]

that's what your Holy Books said

No it only says that if you have some insanely esoteric agenda which has nothing to do with the Biblical context. or in other words if you say it means whatever you want it to mean.
since you already raped your own Qur'an in this debate, I am not surprised your Biblical understanding is non existent.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Maybe this should teach people about God and his promise.

First God gives the land to Israel then makes it so harsh they all migrate en masse to Egypt, then God gives it back then God after awhile gets mad and kicks them out then after awhile changes his mind and gives it back and then gets mad again and has the Romans kick them out and changes mind after a few thousand years and gives it back.

Anyone seeing a pattern?

 

[JacobEzra.]

what kind of interpretate ?
jewish view ? when you explained the word in hebrew "Elohim" as an "angel", i lost the trust in your interpretation .
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/judaism-dir/127979-i-have-questions-4.html

Ugh, its your interpretation of the VERSE that makes allah seem like a teenage boy. Why you think I am talking of the name Eloim, I have no idea.

 

[Caladan]

Maybe this should teach people about God and his promise.

First God gives the land to Israel then makes it so harsh they all migrate en masse to Egypt, then God gives it back then God after awhile gets mad and kicks them out then after awhile changes his mind and gives it back and then gets mad again and has the Romans kick them out and changes mind after a few thousand years and gives it back.

Anyone seeing a pattern?

Not really. God's promises are part of ancient Judaism's and its predecessors' ideology, no doubt that a number of catastrophes caused severe crisis of faith several times in Judaic history. but these rifts have been mended in theology in several ways.
if you insist on seeing it from a Gnostic POV which is anti the God of the OT, it would make sense to you. but the hardships the ancient Jews went through in ancient times are characteristic of the ancient near east, not of God. whether he exists or not.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Not really. God's promises are part of ancient Judaism's and its predecessors' ideology, no doubt that a number of catastrophes caused severe crisis of faith several times in Judaic history. but these rifts have been mended in theology in several ways.
if you insist on seeing it from a Gnostic POV which is anti the God of the OT, it would make sense to you. but the hardships the ancient Jews went through in ancient times are characteristic of the ancient near east, not of God. whether he exists or not.

So basically you are saying is that God and his promises are off the table even though the OP want to know where God promised the land in the Torah?

 

[Debater Slayer]

No it only says that if you have some insanely esoteric agenda which has nothing to do with the Biblical context. or in other words if you say it means whatever you want it to mean.
since you already raped your own Qur'an in this debate, I am not surprised your Biblical understanding is non existent.

Hardly the best way to word it, is it?

To me, this whole "Israel vs. Palestine" thing won't be solved through debates or talk. It's very pointless and only causes trouble trying to do so, in my opinion.

 

[Caladan]

So basically you are saying is that God and his promises are off the table even though the OP want to know where God promised the land in the Torah?

No. I am saying that your analysis is very personal and subjective. you can be sure that in centuries of Jewish history these issues have been dealt with repeatedly.

 

[Caladan]

Hardly the best way to word it, is it?

To me, this whole "Israel vs. Palestine" thing won't be solved through debates or talk. It's very pointless and only causes trouble trying to do so, in my opinion.

I am not the right address. Godobeyer has been childish, dishonest, and showed remarkable ignorance. from my part since this thread is in the debate forum I'll fight to have the most accurate information posted.
when Godobeyer's accuses the Jews of manipulation, that they are the killers of the prophets, and other pearls. he is the problem.

 

[Godobeyer]

Ugh, its your interpretation of the VERSE that makes allah seem like a teenage boy. Why you think I am talking of the name Eloim, I have no idea.

I know that you have no idea , that why i post the link
no, it's a promiss , and it's done .

 

[CynthiaCypher]

No. I am saying that your analysis is very personal and subjective. you can be sure that in centuries of Jewish history these issues have been dealt with repeatedly.

And whose arguement in this debate isn't personal and subjective?

 

[Caladan]

And whose arguement in this debate isn't personal and subjective?

The OP asked for a very simple thing. asking Jewish members about information from the Torah. your interpretation of the Torah is not par the standard Jewish Torah interpretation.