Parents call police on teacher over LGBT book.

[Twilight Hue]

Because children aren't important as plastic bags, am I right?

Incidentally, what racist material is in schools that supports your ridiculously dumb comparison?

 

[Audie]

@Audie, you must remember what the US (and especially the Republican party) claims to be all about -- personal liberty. Now, as far as I know, that does NOT include the government setting up lists of books that you may and may not read, nor telling parents how they must raise their children (no matter what their orientation).

@Father Heathen is quite right in saying that those liberties are under direct and sustained attack by the very party that says they value them. This is the very apex of hypocrisy.

Did you know, a Florida mother gave birth a day or so ago to a child that died (as everybody knew that it would) struggling to get a breath, 99 minutes into its life -- because Florida doctors would not perform an abortion even though they knew the outcome. And why wouldn't they? The threat of legal action against them. This tortured not only the newborn infant, but the parents, and their 4-year old son who couldn't cope with what happened. And why? Because Republicans DO NOT BELIEVE IN PERSONAL LIBERTY. They believe in doing what Republicans tell you to do.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...rtion-ban-unviable-pregnancy-potter-syndrome/

What you quoted from me was accurate.

Your " do not believe in liberty" is b.s.

 

[Twilight Hue]

How do you know?

Because the majority of people are not homosexual and have no personal interest in the topic aside from the controversy it brings.

 

[kadzbiz]

......and have no personal interest in the topic aside from the controversy it brings.

you just cannot assume that

 

[Twilight Hue]

True -- and I'm against it no matter who does it -- are you?

Today, it's the Right -- if the Left starts up tomorrow, I'll still be against the practice on general principle, not partisan politics.

Another reason to put this nonsense aside and concentrate on just teaching the nessessary essentials so a student can be enabled to survive and navigate in the working world.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Academics, especially for younger students is all about memorize and repeat, with grades on the line. If you do not agree, and demonstrate that on a test, you can get a worse grade, thereby making it easier to program even smart students. The smart students compete for grades to get into good colleges. If a Liberal teacher wanted to teach revisionist history, the young student will need to learn; memorize, to get good grades. If a teacher is pushing a subject with questionable content, what do you think a student needs to do to get an A? If they critique against the bias of the teacher, they may be sent to the office, since this opinion can impact how the rest of the students will react and behave. Even Liberal college teachers and professors are afraid of descent from their one sided propaganda. This is not teaching critical thinking and openness to diversity of opinion, but indoctrination.

And that's a problem with the entire education system in general, which is a symptom of a larger problem regarding the purpose of education in America...

... but that's a rant for another thread.

Sex education used to be something children would learn on their own or from their parents, when they become curious. There is plenty of sources in the young people's underground; kind older siblings of some students. Kids pick up computer hack tricks and game cheat codes from the young people's underground. They may even get beer or wine, The young people are often the first to come up with new things, with this a one stop shopping place, not based on a test with grades. It is a place to find tools for all the new adolescent choices as they appear. This young people underground is useful since the young people will be the leaders of tomorrow, and need to become more self reliant, since they will not always have mommy or teachers holding their hand, spoon feeding them.

The young people underground's a lot less safe and reliable than when we were there -- and it wasn't all that safe and reliable in the first place.

As a way to put the shoe on the other foot, so Liberals can learn, guns are considered a problem by the Left. Say the political Right started to push for gun education in schools as a way to lower gun violence. Knowledge is important, right? This is why we teach sex eduction, right?

Ah, but are we going to teach comprehensive gun education, or take a page from the Right's playbook and teach "abstinence-only"?

 

[Twilight Hue]

you just cannot assume that

I don't. It's already a statistical fact most people are heterosexual.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Another reason to put this nonsense aside and concentrate on just teaching the nessessary essentials so a student can be enabled to survive and navigate in the working world.

In the "working" world, or the world in general?

 

[kadzbiz]

Because the majority of people are not homosexual and have no personal interest in the topic aside from the controversy it brings.

now, now, don't address the wrong part my friend. Being heterosexual doesn't necessarily mean they have no personal interest in the matter.

 

[Audie]

True -- and I'm against it no matter who does it -- are you?

Today, it's the Right -- if the Left starts up tomorrow, I'll still be against the practice on general principle, not partisan politics.

Would the Anarchist Cookbook
and Turner Diaries be ok for public school
curriculum?

 

[Father Heathen]

Incidentally, what racist material is in schools that supports your ridiculously dumb comparison?

Uh, I never said there was...

For ****'s sake, you can't be this dense. Do you not know or understand the article in the OP?

Parent's aren't upset over homophobic material. Homophobic parents are upset over material that teaches about homosexuality.

Are you following me?

So you said schools should remove such material to make homophobic parents happy, right?

Now pay attention.

If material about homosexuality should be removed to make homophobic parents happy, then why shouldn't material about the emancipation, desegregation, civil rights movement, etc. be removed to make racist parents happy?

Again, It's a hypothetical question.

Keep in mind that you're the only one struggling with this, so the issue wasn't with my question. With that in mind, I advise you to reread this post thoroughly at least three times before responding.

 

[Father Heathen]

Would the Anarchist Cookbook
and Turner Diaries be ok for public school
curriculum?

Now look who's being hyperbolic.

 

[Audie]

Another reason to put this nonsense aside and concentrate on just teaching the nessessary essentials so a student can be enabled to survive and navigate in the working world.

Considering the abysmal achievement of
American schools / students in math and
basic literacy it's freaking insane to keep
adding more fluff.

 

[Father Heathen]

What you quoted from me was accurate.

Your " do not believe in liberty" is b.s.

I think the republicans' persistent and high profile assaults upon it clearly say otherwise.

 

[Audie]

Now look who's being hyperbolic.

Those are extreme of course. That's intentional.
If you listen to Supreme Court
arguments they routinely bring up hypothetical
scenarios that logically derive from proposed
legislation.
No books banned from schools, say.

 

[Audie]

I think the republicans' persistent and high profile assaults upon it clearly say otherwise.

Hyperbolic nonsense


And the right says the same crap of the left.

Meanwhile your enemies observe.

 

[Father Heathen]

Because the majority of people are not homosexual and have no personal interest in the topic aside from the controversy it brings.

So white students shouldn't learn about other races, and male students shouldn't learn about females, etc.?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Uh, I never said there was...

For ****'s sake, you can't be this dense. Do you not know or understand the article in the OP?

Parent's aren't upset over homophobic material. Homophobic parents are upset over material that teaches about homosexuality.

Are you following me?

So you said schools should remove such material to make homophobic parents happy, right?

Now pay attention.

If material about homosexuality should be removed to make homophobic parents happy, then why shouldn't material about the emancipation, desegregation, civil rights movement, etc. be removed to make racist parents happy?

Again, It's a hypothetical question.

Keep in mind that you're the only one struggling with this, so the issue wasn't with my question. With that in mind, I advise you to reread this post thoroughly at least three times before responding.

Yet you posted about racists as a comparison. Okaaaayyy...

I also challenge you to find anywhere on this entire thread where I had said material should be removed to appease and make happy homophobic parents. Try it. You can't.

Talk about someone being that dense.

I'm referring to the material that has nothing to do with the essentials of education and thus irrelevant.

I'm not struggling, it's you continually and habitually posting more and more nonsense that has nothing to with the topic itself and everything to do with unrelated controversy.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I regard this book as fluff. Not a part of a school curriculum.

Curriculum should be determined by the school board. If parents don't want something for their children then the curriculum should reflect that.

That'll be interesting. There are so many parents (usually more than there are students) who don't want all sorts of things. If, as you say, the curricula should reflect that, you could wind up teaching nothing!

And it may not occur to many, but parents need to know very little to become parents. It's trivially easy, you know. Even those who only graduated grade 3 can manage it, but I doubt that would make them experts in child-rearing. I prefer to think that professional educators, with advanced degrees in education, might at least be consulted a little bit about what goes into the curriculum. Or perhaps you'd prefer to bring in the pastors for that, and send the pedagogues to preach from the pulpit?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I regard this book as fluff. Not a part of a school curriculum.

And your pedagogical qualifications are what, pray tell?