"Patriarchy"

[MysticSang'ha]

I just dont get why so many femists want to ban displays instead of taking action to promote new ones.

Instead of trying to ban displays they should use the already existing freedom to put displays up. They could support some new cartoon that displays confident women that are not "that hot" and that demonstrate the ideals they want, they should support female scriptwritters and they could do so with a legal binding that the movie will pass bechdel test.

Trying to ban things that already exists sounds to me like giving up a battle before fighting it.

Are we talking about anti-pornography feminists? They exist, and they're a subset of feminism, but they're not the majority. I disagree with them on certain arguments they use in their stances against porn, striptease, and prostitution, but I agree on their stance when it comes to banning underage porn.

 

[dust1n]

:yawn:

 

[Me Myself]

Are we talking about anti-pornography feminists? They exist, and they're a subset of feminism, but they're not the majority. I disagree with them on certain arguments they use in their stances against porn, striptease, and prostitution, but I agree on their stance when it comes to banning underage porn.

Inn general no and not specifically in that post either. The post talked about a general attitude of "lets complain on how much of these is there" rather than "lets make more of what we want out there". Just commenting on it.

Propaganda wise, it is always more effective to find someing to promote rather than to find something to deny.

 

[WyattDerp]

Are we talking about anti-pornography feminists? They exist, and they're a subset of feminism, but they're not the majority.

"pornos" = "whore"

"pornography" = "depiction of whores"

But sure, also men can be degraded and exploited. But make no mistake, pornography isn't about people making kinky things out of their free volition. I wouldn't accept the use those to defend the swamp that is pornography. So maybe what you consider a small minority is simply the real deal. There are not many actual feminists in this world.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Inn general no and not specifically in that post either. The post talked about a general attitude of "lets complain on how much of these is there" rather than "lets make more of what we want out there". Just commenting on it.

Propaganda wise, it is always more effective to find someing to promote rather than to find something to deny.

Feminism generally promotes equality and fights injustice. Such a shame you're still in the dark about this and still sees feminists through the lens of women-shouldn't-complain-so-much.

"pornos" = "whore"

"pornography" = "depiction of whores"

But sure, also men can be degraded and exploited. But make no mistake, pornography isn't about people making kinky things out of their free volition. I wouldn't accept the use those to defend the swamp that is pornography. So maybe what you consider a small minority is simply the real deal. There are not many actual feminists in this world.

And here we have the mindset of those I part ways with.

I classify myself as a Third Wave Sex-Positive Global and Eco-Feminist. Nice to meet ya.

 

[Me Myself]

Feminism generally promotes equality and fights injustice. Such a shame you're still in the dark about this and still sees feminists through the lens of women-shouldn't-complain-so-much.



And here we have the mindset of those I part ways with.

I classify myself as a Third Wave Sex-Positive Global and Eco-Feminist. Nice to meet ya.

Its not about women shouldnt complain that much, is about the easily accessible info about feminism being mostly against stuff against pro stuff is not good propaganda for them.

Its ironic I dont know how to explain it to you, given I am trying to talk about comunication, and what ñive learned on it in college.

Look at it like the pro lifers and pro choicers propaganda. A good pro life propaganda will focus on keeping children instead of focusing on how wrong it is to abort, even if they are against abortion. Is is because it tends ot be more successful to promote something than to go against something. Pro life did do this well this way in the naming of the movement, it speaks for what they protect rather thawhat they fight.

Similarly, while it may be true women could have better role models displayed in media, it is going to be more effective to support good role models that to just tear down bad ones. Both can be done, but most of what I find is thhe trying to tear down the bad ones.

Did I explain myself better?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Its not about women shouldnt complain that much, is about the easily accessible info about feminism being mostly against stuff against pro stuff is not good propaganda for them.

Its ironic I dont know how to explain it to you, given I am trying to talk about comunication, and what ñive learned on it in college.

Look at it like the pro lifers and pro choicers propaganda. A good pro life propaganda will focus on keeping children instead of focusing on how wrong it is to abort, even if they are against abortion. Is is because it tends ot be more successful to promote something than to go against something. Pro life did do this well this way in the naming of the movement, it speaks for what they protect rather thawhat they fight.

Similarly, while it may be true women could have better role models displayed in media, it is going to be more effective to support good role models that to just tear down bad ones. Both can be done, but most of what I find is thhe trying to tear down the bad ones.

Did I explain myself better?

I'll try this again.

Feminism is about promoting equality and fighting injustice when inequality and oppression occurs. It really is that simple, and I've seen it across the board....not 9 times out of 10 such as your guesstimate....but across the entire board.

Where are you getting this general impression that feminism is creating a bad impression of itself?

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

"Abortion in Ecuador is currently illegal except in case of the threat to life or health of the woman, or the result of the rape of a woman who is mentally handicapped or insane. The punishment for a woman who has an abortion is 1 to 5 years in prison and the punishment for a doctor or other person who performs the procedure is 2 to 5 years.[1]"

Abortion in Ecuador - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Generally, since we've been speaking of an American author, I place a lot of debates as if things were as they were in America. We've been talking about how patriarchy still exists in a country where abortion up to 24 weeks is a constitutional right bestowed to women and it's perfectly legal to distribute information on how to do self-induced abortions...

Just because abortion is legal does not mean that patriarchy is dead. Far from it. Even if the Far Right stopped pushing all their anti-abortion bills all over the country, we still have a LONG way to go before a woman can feel safe walking alone at night, hanging out at a bar with a bunch of sexually aggressive guys, going to a party where there is alcohol, etc. And there are many more examples like that.

 

[Me Myself]

I'll try this again.

Feminism is about promoting equality and fighting injustice when inequality and oppression occurs.

The fact you think I dont know that makes it clear I could not express what I willed.

Oh well

 

[Alceste]

I said I never read books on the subject, I did have two feminist teachers and every time I see a feminist talking on youtube 9 out of 10 has something to do with displays of women in the media that they dont talk. Feminist frequency also mostly deals with this.

How do you get from criticism of stereotypes and objectification to wanting a ban? That's quite a leap.

 

[Alceste]

The fact you think I dont know that makes it clear I could not express what I willed.

Oh well

You're expressing yourself fine, you're just wrong. Everybody but you seems to know exactly what feminism is "pro". Equality and liberation from oppression.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

The fact you think I dont know that makes it clear I could not express what I willed.

Oh well

You expressed it pretty clearly. But you expressed a view that is completely contrary to what I explained. You say you KNOW that feminism is about promoting equality, but then you say you see 9 times out of 10 feminists yelling "ban this!" and "ban that!" Which apparently is another thing you just KNOW about feminism.

And the latter part is wrong.

 

[dust1n]

Just because abortion is legal does not mean that patriarchy is dead. Far from it. Even if the Far Right stopped pushing all their anti-abortion bills all over the country, we still have a LONG way to go before a woman can feel safe walking alone at night, hanging out at a bar with a bunch of sexually aggressive guys, going to a party where there is alcohol, etc. And there are many more examples like that.

Of course. I was just making an observation.

 

[WyattDerp]

And here we have the mindset of those I part ways with.

I classify myself as a Third Wave Sex-Positive Global and Eco-Feminist. Nice to meet ya.

Being against degradation and abuse doesn't mean not being pro sex. Why are you shaking hands with a strawman? Anyways..

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Being against degradation and abuse doesn't mean not being pro sex. Why are you shaking hands with a strawman? Anyways..

LOL, not what I said, was it?

I identify as a sex-positive feminist, which differs in the opinion from anti-porn feminists. You believe pornography is degrading and abusive, and I believe inherently it isn't. We're both, I assume, against human trafficking elements that exist in the industry. Why was the strawman created in the first place? Anyways...

 

[Revoltingest]

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[MysticSang'ha]

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[WyattDerp]

You believe pornography is degrading and abusive, and I believe inherently it isn't.

99.9% of the porn out there definitely is. And technically speaking, people making home movies doesn't qualify as "porn", since there is no prostitution involved. So to me "sex-positive" is like "pro-life"; a meaningless nice try. Hardly anyone is against sex, and literally nobody is against life.. so if you're pro porn, why not call it "porn-positive"? Unless you want to imply that people being against porn are against sex, and not sex-positive, that word makes zero sense.

 

[Revoltingest]

Let me be the first to declare my "porn positive" status.
Tis hogwash to call it prostitution, but I'm also pro-prostitution.

 

[WyattDerp]

Tis hogwash to call it prostitution

No, that's what the word originally meant. Looking at how most of it works out in practice, I'd say it's still fitting.

Pornography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia