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4consideration

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Alceste said:
I think it's silly and misleading. All that build-up only to admit in the end that socialists opposed nazism.
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Not quite. Admitting that the methods for determining what groups of people to exterminate were what was different -- not that groups were to be exterminated.

Alceste said:
No evidence provided that Shaw ever seriously supported killing anybody.
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May we also apply this standard to all people, within all political leanings, that a person's own words cannot be construed as to imply that they are seriously supporting the thing they are describing ought to be done -- as well as what methods ought to be established for doing it?

edit: Or is this only valid for socialists/liberals?
 
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Alceste

Alceste

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4consideration said:
Not quite. Admitting that the methods for determining what groups of people to exterminate were what was different -- not that groups were to be exterminated.


May we also apply this standard to all people, within all political leanings, that a person's own words cannot be construed as to imply that they are seriously supporting the thing they are describing ought to be done -- as well as what methods ought to be established for doing it?

edit: Or is this only valid for socialists/liberals?
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Which words? I saw nothing that could be construed as advocating killing anyone, and have read enough Shaw to know he is vehemently against it.

Are you perhaps letting yourself be influenced by a baritone narrator making sinister suggestions over a background of scary music?

If you want to argue Shaw supported the nazis, phrase try to make a serious argument to support your case. I googled the sentence fragment about painless gas looking for context and was unable to find anything. The first entire page of links went to sources like conservapedia and Glenn Beck, all echoing the same context-free sentence fragment. That alone should tell you everything you need to know about the quality of this particular smear.

Actually, the baritone narrator, sinister suggestions and scary music told me everything I needed to know, but I have an unusually refined BS detector.
 
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outis

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4consideration said:
May we also apply this standard to all people, within all political leanings, that a person's own words cannot be construed as to imply that they are seriously supporting the thing they are describing ought to be done -- as well as what methods ought to be established for doing it?

edit: Or is this only valid for socialists/liberals?
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Well, let us put this theory to the test: tell us all about how you think women should be put to death when they become too old to be useful to anybody and we'll see if this standard applies to you. That would be kind of on topic.
But first, please tell us if you are a socialist or liberal.
 
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outis said:
Well, let us put this theory to the test: tell us all about how you think women should be put to death when they become too old to be useful to anybody and we'll see if this standard applies to you. That would be kind of on topic.
But first, please tell us if you are a socialist or liberal.
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Are you kidding?
 
4consideration

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Actually, Outis, I realized that you were correct about my being off-topic -- and I was feeling bad for that, and thought I should not continue in an off-topic direction.

edit: But, what you made up about me was really funny and really bizarre to me!
 
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outis

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4consideration said:
Actually, Outis, I realized that you were correct about my being off-topic -- and I was feeling bad for that, and thought I should not continue in an off-topic direction.
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No problem.
I'm sorry for having told everybody about these overpowering urges you have by the way. They are private. But don't feel bad about it: most men have them, except socialists and liberals of course.
 
Alceste

Alceste

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Reverend Rick said:
Yes you do. That is one thing I like about you except when you point the damn thing at me. We all know I am full of it.
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I'll tell you my secret - I'm full of BS myself whenever I have to defend a position. The only way to avoid being full of BS to go on the offensive. We're all at high risk of being full of BS when we try to come up with opinions on things. best to just stick to facts and avoid opinions altogether. Or, if you can't avoid them, destroy them. :D

4consideration said:
Actually, Outis, I realized that you were correct about my being off-topic -- and I was feeling bad for that, and thought I should not continue in an off-topic direction.
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Seriously? And here I finally found the context for the gas thing. He was doing a BBC broadcast during the lead-up to WWII, discussing disarmament talks. In typically Shaw style, he acknowledged that the talks were not about disarmament at all, but an effort to make deals on what kind of bombs the Germans and British were going to kill each other with. There is a page missing, but the topic is consistent. He was saying it looks like we're all going to kill each other after all in a bloody, horrible war, so it would be nice if we could do it with a painless, humane gas rather than blowing each other to fragments of bone and gore.

Bernard Shaw and the BBC - Leonard W. Conolly - Google Books

I hope I have reassured you.
 
4consideration

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Alceste said:
Seriously? And here I finally found the context for the gas thing. He was doing a BBC broadcast during the lead-up to WWII, discussing disarmament talks. In typically Shaw style, he acknowledged that the talks were not about disarmament at all, but an effort to make deals on what kind of bombs the Germans and British were going to kill each other with. There is a page missing, but the topic is consistent. He was saying it looks like we're all going to kill each other after all in a bloody, horrible war, so it would be nice if we could do it with a painless, humane gas rather than blowing each other to fragments of bone and gore.

Bernard Shaw and the BBC - Leonard W. Conolly - Google Books

I hope I have reassured you.
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Cool. Thanks for finding it. I looked for it, too, but had not found it yet. I would like to read the entire thing, but I do see that he seems to be talking about weapons in war.
 
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outis

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Alceste said:
He was saying it looks like we're all going to kill each other after all in a bloody, horrible war, so it would be nice if we could do it with a painless, humane gas rather than blowing each other to fragments of bone and gore.
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In other words he was trying to demoralize the British public so that they would not oppose Hitler.
 
Alceste

Alceste

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outis said:
In other words he was trying to demoralize the British public so that they would not oppose Hitler.
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Are you being sarcastic?

My God, I can't even tell any more with Americans. I'm sorry if you're being ironic and I think you might be serious - that would be insulting if I were in your shoes.
 
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