Payment for the border wall

[Quetzal]

Do you actually have proof that this was something he campaigned on, or shall we keep dodging because he never actually said this until a week or two ago?

You have to admit "Build-the-WALL" is an easier chant than "Build-that-wall-but-primarily-with-our-tax-dollars-while-mexico-gives-us-a-voucher!"

 

[suncowiam]

LOL.... watch it, bud. Canadians torched the White House at one time... And no, I am not a bona fide Trump supporter though it is true that I think he is exactly what America deserves. At least Hillary was not put in charge. That would have been a disaster.

Why do so many Trump supporters deny they are Trump supporters?

What gives?

 

[habiru]

Why are so many Trump supporters deny they are Trump supporters?

What gives?

The MSM are the ones that are promoting that President Trump's supporters are denying him. Those ones that they are interviewing are scared that they will send BLM organization to their homes and rape their little children. But the ones that are not scared, has more than a midnight special waiting for any of Hillary's supporters comes ringing the door bell so that they can come in and have sex with anyone that they choose to do so.
But the Supporters of President Trump does not know that there are more his supporters, than what Hillary has. And so Hillary has sent out Task master to oppressed President Trump supporters so that they will not find out that there are more of them than what she has.
And so they are trying to create an illusion as if it is more Hillary's supporters out there than President Trump.
And right now, the BLM organization is scared to come into your homes to have sex with your children because they are afraid that President Trump's supporters are itching to use their guns on them.



Exodus 1:8 Then a new king, to whom Joseph meant nothing, came to power in Egypt. 9 “Look,” he said to his people, “the Israelites have become far too numerous for us. 10 Come, we must deal shrewdly with them or they will become even more numerous and, if war breaks out, will join our enemies, fight against us and leave the country.”

11 So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh.

 

[Quetzal]

Why are so many Trump supporters deny they are Trump supporters?

We all know why.

 

[habiru]

We all know why.

Yeah, we knows why.....

 

[Mister Emu]

No, I believe that would be you since you keep dancing around what the actual issue of the OP is.

You've been provided with the direct Trump campaign document on how the wall is to be funded. Produced in August of 2015. As I said.

Do you actually have proof that this was something he campaigned on, or shall we keep dodging because he never actually said this until a week or two ago?

What do you think the time table for funding via remittance action, taxes, tariffs, and fees would be? Instant? Come on. It is common sense that if we have to force Mexico to pay via American legislative action against economic interests of that country it would be deferred.

We have a better chance of Pence getting a sex change than Mexico paying for the wall. They have already said no. There is nothing within his power to force them to pay for it. So if it passes it will either go to the debt or be paid for by us.

You just took that quote entirely out of the context of the discussion it was in. The point of that was that Trump never said Mexico would pay for the upkeep.

That said, if the Mexican government decides it is best to instead see how America acts against its financial interests instead of a single payment, that is their choice.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

You just took that quote entirely out of the context of the discussion it was in. The point of that was that Trump never said Mexico would pay for the upkeep.

That said, if the Mexican government decides it is best to instead see how America acts against its financial interests instead of a single payment, that is their choice.

I realize the context. I'm just pionting out Turmps promises to begin with don't really mean anything. Sure he never promised that Mexico would pay the upkeep of the wall but the promise that they would pay for it to begin with is silly.

Mexico would be fine without the US. The US doesn't help them much to begin with. From what I understand the worst thing he could do is punish the American companies that are in Mexico using their cheap labor. This is something he said he would do anyway. If he chose to attemp to hurt the economy of Mexico because they refused to pay for a wall that functionally won't do anything then that is not the sign of a leader but of a tyrant. Actually doing that might be the best thing for Mexico. The media coverage and amount of people that would lash back at him for it would probably outweigh any negavies he could do to Mexico.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I realize the context. I'm just pionting out Turmps promises to begin with don't really mean anything.

Sort of like the logic used by the Komrade Trumputin's devoted followers?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Sort of like the logic used by the Komrade Trumputin's devoted followers?

I'm not really a twitter guy so I don't follow the context very well. I stand by my comment though if that was brought into question.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I'm not really a twitter guy so I don't follow the context very well. I stand by my comment though if that was brought into question.

Nothing to do with Twitler. FWIW, I agreed with you.

 

[Mister Emu]

I'm just pionting out Turmps promises to begin with don't really mean anything. Sure he never promised that Mexico would pay the upkeep of the wall but the promise that they would pay for it to begin with is silly.

Except that, if congress follows his lead, they will pay for it. One way or the other.

Mexico would be fine without the US.

Mexico isn't fine as it is, much less without the U.S., the buyer of around 80% of their exports and who represents about 1/3 of their GDP.

 

[Mister_T]

You've been provided with the direct Trump campaign document on how the wall is to be funded. Produced in August of 2015. As I said.

Which is not what I asked for. I asked you to provide proof of your assertion that Trump said USA would have to pay for the wall and be reimbursed by Mexico all along as oppose to recently. The fact that you're unable to do so makes it pretty clear you're just dodging the issue.

What do you think the time table for funding via remittance action, taxes, tariffs, and fees would be? Instant? Come on. It is common sense that if we have to force Mexico to pay via American legislative action against economic interests of that country it would be deferred.

Whether it's instant or not is not the problem. The problem is Trump saying USA will have to pay first now, and your outright dodging of the fact that this is different than what he campaigned on.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Except that, if congress follows his lead, they will pay for it. One way or the other.

Congress doesn't have the power to make mexico pay either. And that would go from a Tyrant to a tyranical government. Even better for Mexico and the up coming 2018 election. Man you getting me excited. Lets hope he isn't full of hot air.

Mexico isn't fine as it is, much less without the U.S., the buyer of around 80% of their exports and who represents about 1/3 of their GDP.

Exports made in US factories that pay slave labor whose profits go back to the United States. Mexico could be self sufficient. Its relationship with the US verged on the harmful rather than helpful.

 

[Milton Platt]

So, it looks like Trump will be making taxpayers pay for the extension of the wall along the Mexico/US border. But vows that the Mexican government will pay for it later. What do you think? Are you okay with your tax dollars going towards this? Do you think the Mexican government will pay for it later?

For me? I want to see more effective measures for dealing with illegal immigrations. But, I am not convinced the wall is the right way to do it. Whacha think?

Moving from my home in Houston to Laredo and opening up a ladder rental business across the border. Trump has already promised tax breaks for business, so seems like a good time to start one.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That is moving the goalpost. The plan from Trump has always been that Mexico would pay towards the initial cost. A "one time payment of 10 billion" to quote his paper on how the wall will be funded.

Including upkeep in the cost is not moving the goal post. It's pointing out there is more than just an initial cost, and it won't take long at all before the upkeep exceeds the initial cost.
If you want to nip illegal immigration in the bud, go after people giving them incentive. The enablers, if you will.

 

[columbus]

The MSM are the ones that are promoting that President Trump's supporters are denying him.

No it isn't. I'm seeing it right here in this thread.
Trump claimed that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. Now his supporters are talking about all kinds of other things, like the USA taxpayers will pay and Mexico will pay us back later. Or Trump never meant a wall when he said "I'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!", he meant something more like a fence in places. And policies. Lots of policies.
Nobody seems willing to talk about the yuuge promises he made, much less support them.
Even Trump's supporters don't believe him when he talks.

@Neo Deist , didn't you refer to this as "the saddest lesson of history "?
Tom

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Trump is a miserable school yard bully
He wants America to be even more of a bully.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He wants America to be even more of a bully.

As if it needs any help in that area.

 

[habiru]

No it isn't. I'm seeing it right here in this thread.
Trump claimed that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. Now his supporters are talking about all kinds of other things, like the USA taxpayers will pay and Mexico will pay us back later. Or Trump never meant a wall when he said "I'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!", he meant something more like a fence in places. And policies. Lots of policies.
Nobody seems willing to talk about the yuuge promises he made, much less support them.
Even Trump's supporters don't believe him when he talks.

@Neo Deist , didn't you refer to this as "the saddest lesson of history "?
Tom

I had posted it somewhere on one of these post. That President Trump might be using the drug cartel's money that were seized during the arrest. And people needs to write to President Trump about adding tolls along the border as well. That will help out. Unless the Mexican government decides to go ahead and donate his portion. So then it will be their wall as well, which means that they doesn't have to pay a toll fee to use it.
And I have seen a lot of mind games lately on T.V. First four Hillary's supporters kidnapped a mentally challenged kid and tortured him. But then Merle Streeps came on T.V. crying because of President Trump behavior that he had with an physically challenged reporter. They had plotted that to divert the focus off of Hillary's supporters and onto what President Trump had done in the past. That video of what the four young adult had done, that it had scared a lot of the physically and mentally challenged and elderly communities. They already has the fear that they believes that everybody wants them to be out of the way. And so they had diverted from how Hillary's supporters feel about them, and to put in their minds that they cannot trust President Trump.
If there something about Bill Clinton groping women, so then they will creates a lie that it was President Trump who does the groping or has gotten caught with prostitutes. But we all knows who is the real sex addict.
And right now, that they are trying to divert the minds of everybody from the Hillary Clinton's hearing that just started onto false stories about President Trump is a sex addict double agent for the Russians that hates people that are disable.
But the physically and mentally challenged better not support Hillary's agenda , or else, that it will give more power to her and her mafia that loves to pick on the helpless.

 

[columbus]

I had posted it somewhere on one of these post. That President Trump might be using the drug cartel's money that were seized during the arrest.

If the USA government manages to confiscate money from drug cartels, I am all about that. More is better, I hate those people.
But once we get it, the money isn't Mexican any more. It's USA fundage which we could use to prosecute criminal employers or pay down the Bush debt or anything else.
It is not Mexico's money once it's our money.
Tom