Peace and Security Unattainable.

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Democracy is a delusion in most instances. It's a theatrical performance intended to placate the rabble while the rich continue to rule the world. It's long past time we woke up from that spell.

Ever the voice of optimism.

In some respects, @PureX is correct. There are many places in the world that play at democracy because, well, ordinary folk can't see how making a little mark in a box on a piece of paper can change their lives. And in many places, I rather suspect that they're quite right. Well, take Russia, for example -- anybody think a national election would reject Putin? If so, can I have some of you're drinking?

On the other hand, there are places where -- even though there are powerful forces working against -- governments can be tossed out on their ear. Canada is one, and this has happened in the past, where a confidence vote fails in Parliament and an election is called immediately.

Now, democracy does absolutely require a truly independent and free Press, so that people can know what is going on -- and that can, in large part, be circumvented by the moneyed and powerful. This is because a free Press isn't quite enough -- the corollary requirement is a electorate willing to take the time and effort to investigate what is being reported, and act on it when election time comes around.

And in that latter, my sense is that many, many, many Americans have lost that -- far too many listen only to totally biased sources like CNN and Fox, rather than carefully listening to differing viewpoints, and making the effort to decide for themselves whether they are being told the truth or lies.

Honestly, I think where free and fair elections are possible, and where the electorate is at least moderately well-informed, democracy can and does work. Like sausage, it's messy and unpleasant to watch.

Unfortunately, I think it’s not working so well, and the fault lies primarily with (……wait for it…….) the electorate. No, not with the oligarchs, the rich and powerful. There aren’t that many of them, after all. No, if you want to live in a world where government works towards the best interests of you and everybody else you know – then flipping pay attention! Inform yourself! Then vote.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Not by my definition of the word "doubt." That claim might be true or it might not be. I'll have to think about it. Study it. That's unbased doubt.

I would go with that if one had not added this element of doubt.

"Imagine the uproar that would cause with religious parents!"

Regards Tony

 

[joe1776]

I would go with that if one had not added this element of doubt.

"Imagine the uproar that would cause with religious parents!"

Regards Tony

I think your version would leave the reader wondering what I meant. Wouldn't it?

 

[rational experiences]

When majority rules it means all old ways leave and you have to restructure.

Honestly don't believe any of you would even use that spiritual consideration.

 

[Revoltingest]

In some respects, @PureX is correct.

But applying that as a generalization is the problem.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

But applying that as a generalization is the problem.

That's it? I thought I provided a bit of analysis as a way to avoid the generalization. If you think I'm wrong, that democracy fails when citizens stop informing themselves before participating, tell me why.

 

[sun rise]

. If you think I'm wrong, that democracy fails when citizens stop informing themselves before participating, tell me why.

That's an ideal but:

The US is an example because people think they're informing themselves while adopting lies as truth. An informed electorate depends on a rational electorate who can spot lies as lies.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I happen to agree with that one. I believe if he really wanted to want all of us to know what was going to happen in cases like this, it would have been in his official correspondence. Why say it only privately to one person if it is something we should all know. Make sense to you?

Also, one thing I believe about the Guardians prophecies may not be shared by many Baha'is. I believe as he had the interpretative capacity concerning the Writings, all his prophecies derived from that capacity in interpreting the prophecies in the Writings. He would say sometimes he didn't know exactly what would happen. He gave the general shape of what was going to happen.

I think there was a wisdom with that.
Baha'u'llah had said many other things that were recorded by historians or those who encountered Him, but are not found word for word in His writings.

One possible reason might be that, Shoghi Effendi wanted to tell us about future but, not officially for a wisdom.

What could that wisdom be?
I suppose, if Shoghi Effendi had written them, then some people, or even Bahais could have said how does he know about future? He is not a Manifestation or a Prophet. His function was supposed to be a Guardian, not a prophet. He did not want to appear in that way that he can prophesize. So, perhaps for this reason he did not make it official. One can say, Baha'u'llah could have said those prophecies. But I believe He did, in a more general way, because in His time it was not the time to reveal the details. Shoghi Effendi just told some Bahais same things in a more specific way.

 

[Kooky]

In some respects, @PureX is correct. There are many places in the world that play at democracy because, well, ordinary folk can't see how making a little mark in a box on a piece of paper can change their lives. And in many places, I rather suspect that they're quite right. Well, take Russia, for example -- anybody think a national election would reject Putin? If so, can I have some of you're drinking?

Elections have never been the only way to remove a regime from power, only the most orderly.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Those pilgrim notes also warn that America is in great danger. That some Americans could become refugees to Africa, that the Northern Hemisphere will be effected.

Regards Tony

That might be about America going under water in future. I remember some Bahais in Iran said there are such prophecies.

 

[stvdv]

It has also been recorded by "The Pen of the Most High", that America will be the leaders to the peace movement.

The world is far from Peace
America is far from being a Dharmic leader even

When billionaires enrich themselves (earning billions, not just a few honest bucks) using covid pandemics I know this to be a fact

Sai Baba gave the example, building a few superspeciality hospitals, also in rural area, in India, where all are treated for free. And he started free available clean water projects, and when the PM praised Sai Baba for it, Sai Baba responded "No need to praise me, I just show you what you should do".

That would be a good start to Peace in the World

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Those pilgrim notes also warn that America is in great danger. That some Americans could become refugees to Africa, that the Northern Hemisphere will be effected.

Regards Tony

I see, you were referring to this:



"The coming calamity will be worse than war! Whole cities will evaporate! Especially in those cities here it is harder to teach the teach the Faith such as New York, Chicago, San Francisco. People will loose all their possessions and homes over night. They will simply evaporate! Americans will become refugees in other countries and continents. The United States will suffer most because it is the most materialistic. Europe was the cradle of materialism but the united States is the stronghold of materialism. Russia will also suffer greatly. There is little difference between the United States and Russia in their systems because both are materialistic. Capitalism is purely materialistic, and Communism is purely materialism. both control the proletariat. Both will suffer greatly. The calamity will be retributive.

The earth will be covered mostly by dark skinned people and these of the so-called uncivilized nations, not submerged materialism, "The limbs of mankind shall quake" will apply more to the U.S.A. because of the importance of the U.S.A. and her great destiny. Many countries are over populated with people of bad blood. This must be cleansed. Science in the future will solve the food problem. The calamity will happen before the Lesser Peace. If the U.S.A. and Great Britain fail on the home fronts the Baghdad Conference may not take place. America must become the moral and spiritual leader of all the nations!!!!"


Visiting the Bahá'í World Centre


Sound very scary. Probably it is about the atomic bomb. That's what can evaporate cities overnight. This is in line with what Baha'u'llah alluded about atomic bomb.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's it? I thought I provided a bit of analysis as a way to avoid the generalization. If you think I'm wrong, that democracy fails when citizens stop informing themselves before participating, tell me why.

You aren't the one over-generalizing.

 

[rational experiences]

I see, you were referring to this:



"The coming calamity will be worse than war! Whole cities will evaporate! Especially in those cities here it is harder to teach the teach the Faith such as New York, Chicago, San Francisco. People will loose all their possessions and homes over night. They will simply evaporate! Americans will become refugees in other countries and continents. The United States will suffer most because it is the most materialistic. Europe was the cradle of materialism but the united States is the stronghold of materialism. Russia will also suffer greatly. There is little difference between the United States and Russia in their systems because both are materialistic. Capitalism is purely materialistic, and Communism is purely materialism. both control the proletariat. Both will suffer greatly. The calamity will be retributive.

The earth will be covered mostly by dark skinned people and these of the so-called uncivilized nations, not submerged materialism, "The limbs of mankind shall quake" will apply more to the U.S.A. because of the importance of the U.S.A. and her great destiny. Many countries are over populated with people of bad blood. This must be cleansed. Science in the future will solve the food problem. The calamity will happen before the Lesser Peace. If the U.S.A. and Great Britain fail on the home fronts the Baghdad Conference may not take place. America must become the moral and spiritual leader of all the nations!!!!"


Visiting the Bahá'í World Centre


Sound very scary. Probably it is about the atomic bomb. That's what can evaporate cities overnight. This is in line with what Baha'u'llah alluded about atomic bomb.

Nope.

Star fall can cause the same event.

If science opens the eye in every nation we get tornados.

Their tornados america turn into a nuclear event. As although a tornado is destructive like a flood it saves lives.

As it is cooling.

How saving is a biblical contradiction. Man says evil saves in memories only.

Then in commontime reasserted a false meaning.

As the heavens is one changing pressure body the state change fallout clouds was in every nation is exactly what you'll get. As it's conditional to balances.

Each countries nation different landscapes.

As each purpose is one anywhere as everything.

 

[Truthseeker]

This is why societies all over the planet need to emphasize a complete education of its children. Ignorance is our default state and we need to learn crucial skills, which includes civics, history, and reasoning.

Those subjects can help some.

 

[Truthseeker]

This is delusional imo,since when has the author of your books ever bought peace?.

It's not about him bringing peace. It's about following what He said, and applying it for us.

 

[Truthseeker]

it's more honest imo to realise that we are all the same but also different,throughout recorded human history there has never been unity.

That's right, we are the same but different. That's why we need to unity within diversity. We need to accept our differences, and at least tolerate them, and eventually evolve beyond that state. Part of the calculus is that human nature is not a constant over time. It can be taught through training by parents and schools. Schools need to train students in morals as well as academics. There are morals that we all can agree on that are common to all past religions. Even atheists have morals that have, without them realizing it, been part of the environment started by religious teachings which they can agree on with others.

 

[Truthseeker]

Tony,humans and destruction go hand in hand from when we first evolved,it's what we do.

Like I said, human nature is not a constant, it is taught.

 

[Truthseeker]

And last time I checked the USA is very materialistic (as in buying things) and also extremely religious.

Yes, that's true, but how moral and spiritual are they? That's the question.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I see, you were referring to this:



"The coming calamity will be worse than war! Whole cities will evaporate! Especially in those cities here it is harder to teach the teach the Faith such as New York, Chicago, San Francisco. People will loose all their possessions and homes over night. They will simply evaporate! Americans will become refugees in other countries and continents. The United States will suffer most because it is the most materialistic. Europe was the cradle of materialism but the united States is the stronghold of materialism. Russia will also suffer greatly. There is little difference between the United States and Russia in their systems because both are materialistic. Capitalism is purely materialistic, and Communism is purely materialism. both control the proletariat. Both will suffer greatly. The calamity will be retributive.

The earth will be covered mostly by dark skinned people and these of the so-called uncivilized nations, not submerged materialism, "The limbs of mankind shall quake" will apply more to the U.S.A. because of the importance of the U.S.A. and her great destiny. Many countries are over populated with people of bad blood. This must be cleansed. Science in the future will solve the food problem. The calamity will happen before the Lesser Peace. If the U.S.A. and Great Britain fail on the home fronts the Baghdad Conference may not take place. America must become the moral and spiritual leader of all the nations!!!!"


Visiting the Bahá'í World Centre


Sound very scary. Probably it is about the atomic bomb. That's what can evaporate cities overnight. This is in line with what Baha'u'llah alluded about atomic bomb.

Yes there is a few people that recorded this talk, at least 3 I think, and all have sightly different details.

Regards Tony