Ped0philia

[Drolefille]

How is it? Has it ever been cured? Proof?


Are all abnormal fetishes a disease?

If they cause significant problems in the person's life. That's the standard of the DSM which is used by pretty much all western diagnositicians - psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, etc.
If you can only get off to the sight of a shoe. That's fine unless it causes a problem in your life. With pedophilia it is pretty much ASSUMED to cause a problem because there is no legal way to satisfy the desire. Barring an 18 year old who looks 10 and while icky that at least would be legal.

I know.
But they do not desire the rape, they desire what's within the rape. They could do without the rape.

There is NO way to have it without the rape. NONE. There is not a possibility of separating the two. The act itself is rape. They want the rape. They just don't call it rape.

 

[Father Heathen]

What are your sources for saying it's a "natural sexuality"?

Also, is there something you're not telling us?

 

[Enlighten]

(I put a 0 for the o otherwise it will be blocked, my laptop was given to me by the school so)

Anyway, is pedophilia really 'wrong'? I seen someone on another forum say "If you're a pedophile I'm keeping my kids away from you" and it was not a joke. It sounded similar to "If you're gay I'm staying away from you" (said by a guy).

Now, I'm not really addressing that homosexuality is the same as pedophilia, because heterosexuality, bisexuality, etc is just as close.


Pedophilia is a natural sexuality, something pedophiles are born with. Not all pedophiles are rapists. They cannot engage in activity obviously, but we have to accept that their sexuality is there and cannot be controlled.


So, if you shun at their sexuality without them being active in it, why?

If you shun their activity in it but not their sexuality, I am with you.


Not all pedophiles are active.

I have read through this thread with my fist in my mouth, why shoud we make an excuse for paedophillia? It is plain wrong and as has been pointed out even if they don't "like" to see it as rape, it simply is rape, no way round it. I have no sympathy to paedophiles they are scum in my opinion, innocent children would have no idea that they are in danger with people like this just as you can read from people's viewpoints who have SUFFERED from these so called humans.

 

[Badran]

I have read through this thread with my fist in my mouth, why shoud we make an excuse for paedophillia? It is plain wrong and as has been pointed out even if they don't "like" to see it as rape, it simply is rape, no way round it. I have no sympathy to paedophiles they are scum in my opinion, innocent children would have no idea that they are in danger with people like this just as you can read from people's viewpoints who have SUFFERED from these so called humans.

Did you miss the parts where he clarified that he's talking about people who do not act on these desires?

In other words, people who willingly forbid themselves from fulfilling their unfortunate desire because they know it hurts other people?

Again in different clearer words, he's saying why shun people who do not harm others and control their desire only because they have that desire?

 

[riley2112]

Did you miss the parts where he clarified that he's talking about people who do not act on these desires?

In other words, people who willingly forbid themselves from fulfilling their unfortunate desire because they know it hurts other people?

Again in different clearer words, he's saying why shun people who do not harm others and control their desire only because they have that desire?

do you have kids?

 

[Badran]

do you have kids?

No, why?

 

[riley2112]

if you dont have a car you dont worry about car thiefs hanging around your yard

 

[Badran]

if you dont have a car you dont worry about car thiefs hanging around your yard

Couple of things:

1) I wasn't taking about the whole "be careful" thing, just the part about shunning them. You can be careful, i think, without thinking that this person is disgusting or less than human.

2) Car thieves actually steal cars, pedophiles don't necessarily have sex with kids.

3) Not having kids, actually i think isn't necessarily a disadvantage in this discussion, since its easier for me to look at this fairly because i'm not driven by extremely powerful emotions such as those we as people usually have for our kids.

 

[ChristineES]

I wouldn't want a pedophile anywhere near a child.

 

[riley2112]

Couple of things:

1) I wasn't taking about the whole "be careful" thing, just the part about shunning them. You can be careful, i think, without thinking that this person is disgusting or less than human.

2) Car thieves actually steal cars, pedophiles don't necessarily have sex with kids.

3) Not having kids, actually i think isn't necessarily a disadvantage in this discussion, since it actually easier for me to look at this fairly because i'm not driven by extremely powerful emotions such as those we as people usually have for our kids.

1.normally I would agree. However thinking that this person is disgusting or less than human, well , it is because they are disgusting and less than human.
2. These people will steal a (car) sooner or later. given the chance. Trust me on this.
3.not having kids , well when you do, think back on this post and see if you feel the same as you do now.
I think I will just stay out of this one, because I do have some strong feelings about this subject and I am new here. Dont want to get ban from the cite .

 

[Badran]

1.normally I would agree. However thinking that this person is disgusting or less than human, well , it is because they are disgusting and less than human.

While i appreciate that this is your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it, if you think about it doesn't really answer or address anything. For instance, if we assume its a disease, how can you say this about people who got this disease? Do people earn diseases?

I'm not trying to get you to answer anymore questions by the way, i know you already said you'd rather stay out of this topic. I'm just using your post to express my point.

2. These people will steal a (car) sooner or later. given the chance. Trust me on this.

I'm not sure that its really fair or accurate to make this judgement. Thats not to say that it isn't likely, or even very likely, just that saying its inevitable is extremely unfair.

3.not having kids , well when you do, think back on this post and see if you feel the same as you do now.

Its certainly possible i would feel differently, but i hope and have good reasons to think i will still be able to realize the reason for my feelings and thus be able to maintain my position here.

I think I will just stay out of this one, because I do have some strong feelings about this subject and I am new here. Dont want to get ban from the cite .

Cool. Thats a wise decision

 

[The Sum of Awe]

If they cause significant problems in the person's life. That's the standard of the DSM which is used by pretty much all western diagnositicians - psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, etc.
If you can only get off to the sight of a shoe. That's fine unless it causes a problem in your life. With pedophilia it is pretty much ASSUMED to cause a problem because there is no legal way to satisfy the desire. Barring an 18 year old who looks 10 and while icky that at least would be legal.

Does it change their sexual desires?

There is NO way to have it without the rape. NONE. There is not a possibility of separating the two. The act itself is rape. They want the rape. They just don't call it rape.

I know...

You still aren't getting what I'm saying: They do not desire RAPE they desire KIDS, yes it is impossible to avoid but they aren't in it because of rape.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I have read through this thread with my fist in my mouth, why shoud we make an excuse for paedophillia? It is plain wrong and as has been pointed out even if they don't "like" to see it as rape, it simply is rape, no way round it. I have no sympathy to paedophiles they are scum in my opinion, innocent children would have no idea that they are in danger with people like this just as you can read from people's viewpoints who have SUFFERED from these so called humans.

Why target ALL pedophiles when some of them are innocent and hadn't raped before? If some of them are nice enough to not rape?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I wouldn't want a pedophile anywhere near a child.

That's totally not hating on people for their sexuality :sarcastic

 

[The Sum of Awe]

What are your sources for saying it's a "natural sexuality"?

Also, is there something you're not telling us?

I most certainly doubt people would choose to be a pedophile, if they do not choose it then it is natural and it is a sexuality.

Why would there be something I'm not telling you?

 

[Drolefille]

Does it change their sexual desires?

I'm not aware of any significant success rate at reorienting a pedophile, no. Fetishes are a bit different and the goal isn't usually aversion to the stimulus, just no longer relying on the stimulus.

I know...

You still aren't getting what I'm saying: They do not desire RAPE they desire KIDS, yes it is impossible to avoid but they aren't in it because of rape.

You aren't getting what I am saying. What they desire IS rape. You're arguing that it isn't about the same thing rape is typically about. The control, power, trust issues that are involved in rape or child abuse are not the only things that make these acts rape though. The lack of consent is what matters. It doesn't matter if he wants to have 'consensual' sex with a child because such a thing isn't possible.

It's no different than someone who cannot get aroused unless he hurts someone else against their will and you're arguing that it's not like he wants rape, he just wants to hurt someone against their will.

It's rape either way. So yes, they want rape. The idea of raping a child is what turns them on even if they lie to themselves about it. If in their fantasies the child is 'wanting' it, they're creating a scenario where it's ok for them to rape as a fantasy. There is no way to want kids and not want rape.

I feel like I'm just repeating myself but I want to be really clear on this because while rape has a lot of issues involved with it besides the sexual act itself, rape doesn't just come in a forced act. It comes in the pressuring, lying, and violation of trust too. And it comes in the violation of a child even if a 10 year old walked up to an adult and said "I want you to have sex with me" if the adult did so, that would be rape.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I'm not aware of any significant success rate at reorienting a pedophile, no. Fetishes are a bit different and the goal isn't usually aversion to the stimulus, just no longer relying on the stimulus.





You aren't getting what I am saying. What they desire IS rape. You're arguing that it isn't about the same thing rape is typically about. The control, power, trust issues that are involved in rape or child abuse are not the only things that make these acts rape though. The lack of consent is what matters. It doesn't matter if he wants to have 'consensual' sex with a child because such a thing isn't possible.

It's no different than someone who cannot get aroused unless he hurts someone else against their will and you're arguing that it's not like he wants rape, he just wants to hurt someone against their will.

It's rape either way. So yes, they want rape. The idea of raping a child is what turns them on even if they lie to themselves about it. If in their fantasies the child is 'wanting' it, they're creating a scenario where it's ok for them to rape as a fantasy. There is no way to want kids and not want rape.

I feel like I'm just repeating myself but I want to be really clear on this because while rape has a lot of issues involved with it besides the sexual act itself, rape doesn't just come in a forced act. It comes in the pressuring, lying, and violation of trust too. And it comes in the violation of a child even if a 10 year old walked up to an adult and said "I want you to have sex with me" if the adult did so, that would be rape.

I know having sex with children is rape no matter what, there's no way to avoid it, but are they sexually attracted to rape or the kids? The kids.

 

[Drolefille]

I know having sex with children is rape no matter what, there's no way to avoid it, but are they sexually attracted to rape or the kids? The kids.

The attraction is to kids, but your statement was that pedophiles don't want to rape the victim.

Yes they do. They want to rape the victim.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

The attraction is to kids, but your statement was that pedophiles don't want to rape the victim.

Yes they do. They want to rape the victim.

You're misinterpreting me.

They don't WISH to rape the victim, but it's the only possible way.

 

[Drolefille]

You're misinterpreting me.

They don't WISH to rape the victim, but it's the only possible way.

No, I know what you're trying to say I just think you're wrong. I'm disagreeing with you.

It's rape, they want to rape them, they pretend it isn't and imagine sex with a child that isn't rape and yet that act is.

It's how it works.

A truly celibate pedophile gets some respect from me for overcoming his desires, but no more so than any person who is voluntarily celibate but not asexual.

Pedophilia is stigmatized because it's how we protect children.