Pedophilia does not have anything to do with homosexuality.

[Ingledsva]

What on earth made you think I posted it for you? This is an open public thread.

Because it was under my post in the tree. Just like this answer to you will be below your post.

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[Caladan]

Because it was under my post in the tree. Just like this answer to you will be below your post.

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And so? do you or I own the spaces below each other's posts?

 

[Ingledsva]

Far more girls are molested - and it is RAPE - not homosexuality.

The majority of pedophiles are married heterosexuals.

Truth - 51% of men selected female children.
21% selected both. Females victimized 2-1.
83% of child molesters are heterosexual.

[URL]http://www.save-our-kids.com/myths.html[/URL]

yes, however if 51% choose to abuse girls, then 49 percent choose to abuse boys.

And if those 49% are abusing the same sex, then are they 'really' hetrosexual? If they were hetro, then surely they would be abusing girls??

The figures are bad whichever way we look at them. Sexual perversions are rife and until people start curbing their violent lusts, the problem will continue and get worse.

You didn't read that correctly.

51% molest only girls.
Another 21% molest both girls and boys - and it notes Girls are molested 2 to 1.

Also note it tells us 81% are heterosexual - most of them are also under 40 and married as well.

However, what you seem to be missing is that this is about RAPE - POWER OVER - not heterosexuals or homosexuals.

Pedophilia crosses all lines. Since the majority of humans are heterosexual - the majority of these rapes are by heterosexuals. The percentage of homosexuals to heterosexuals are low - so there will be fewer homosexual pedophiles.

Pedophilia is POWER-RAPE - and the PREFERENCE is predicated on CHILDREN (mainly female) - not heterosexuality or homosexuality.

In reality the only reason the molested male count is up is because fathers rape their own sons, and people in power over boys - coaches - troop leaders, etc, have easier access to boys to RAPE.

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[Ingledsva]

And so? do you or I own the spaces below each other's posts?

You don't seem to be understanding.

If you post below someone's post - they assume it is an answer to what they posted. That is how we find people replying to us in tree mode.

If you don't want it to be an answer to anyone in particular, - just go to the top original poster and choose the quick reply, - it will then just drop straight down the tree, rather then post under someone.

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[The Sum of Awe]

Why do so many conservative Christians try to compare pedophilia with homosexuality?

So a liberal Muslim can compare both? How about a liberal Christian or a conservative Muslim?

The very fact that you take your anger out at Christians who are conservative points the same bias as a homophobic person.


2) It does in fact have relation - Pedophilia is a sexuality and homosexuality is a sexuality. Why shun pedophilia in general? Not every pedophile acts on it. Why is pedophilia wrong, in your opinion?

 

[Ingledsva]

So a liberal Muslim can compare both? How about a liberal Christian or a conservative Muslim?

The very fact that you take your anger out at Christians who are conservative points the same bias as a homophobic person.


2) It does in fact have relation - Pedophilia is a sexuality and homosexuality is a sexuality. Why shun pedophilia in general? Not every pedophile acts on it. Why is pedophilia wrong, in your opinion?

That is not correct.

Pedophilia and Rape are power/dominance crimes, using sex.

Pedophiles have been noted by many doctors to have the same characteristics as serial killers.

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[Draka]

You don't seem to be understanding.

If you post below someone's post - they assume it is an answer to what they posted. That is how we find people replying to us in tree mode.

If you don't want it to be an answer to anyone in particular, - just go to the top original poster and choose the quick reply, - it will then just drop straight down the tree, rather then post under someone.

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He didn't respond to you. He posted in order of the thread. I honestly don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. If he had meant it to be a response to you he would have quoted you or addressed you in his post. He didn't. He was just responding to the thread in general. I think everyone else understands that as well. You seem to be the only one that finds that difficult to understand.

In a linear thread things just fall in the order they are posted, period, doesn't mean they are directed at the person above unless so stated.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

That is not correct.

Pedophilia and Rape are power/dominance crimes, using sex.

Pedophiles have been noted by many doctors to have the same characteristics as serial killers.

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But to shun a person because of their sexual feelings at all is just wrong - you should judge by the actions of an individual, not the statistics as a group.

 

[Ingledsva]

He didn't respond to you. He posted in order of the thread. I honestly don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. If he had meant it to be a response to you he would have quoted you or addressed you in his post. He didn't. He was just responding to the thread in general. I think everyone else understands that as well. You seem to be the only one that finds that difficult to understand.

In a linear thread things just fall in the order they are posted, period, doesn't mean they are directed at the person above unless so stated.

Did you miss that I am using the "tree mode?"

In tree mode he appears to be answering my post. And since he didn't quote whom he was answering ...

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[Draka]

Did you miss that I am using the "tree mode?"

In tree mode he appears to be answering my post. And since he didn't quote whom he was answering ...

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He was answering to the thread in general. Again, unless someone quotes you or directly says your name there isn't any reason to think they were talking to you, especially if what they said makes no sense in context to what you said. Even in threaded mode you should still be able to distinguish a general reply from a personal reply.

 

[Ingledsva]

That is not correct.

Pedophilia and Rape are power/dominance crimes, using sex.

Pedophiles have been noted by many doctors to have the same characteristics as serial killers.

But to shun a person because of their sexual feelings at all is just wrong - you should judge by the actions of an individual, not the statistics as a group.

What?

Pedophilia as stated is not a sexual feeling - it is a compulsion to dominate/conquer children - using control and sex.

As I said above - doctors have noted the similarity to serial killers. They both have a compulsion to control/harm - they escalate over time - and in the case of pedophiles, appear to eventually reach the point where just controlling/harming the children isn't enough - and it goes farther, to the point of torture and killing them. We see this in the news on a daily basis.

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[Pegg]

You didn't read that correctly.

51% molest only girls.
Another 21% molest both girls and boys - and it notes Girls are molested 2 to 1.

Also note it tells us 81% are heterosexual - most of them are also under 40 and married as well.

However, what you seem to be missing is that this is about RAPE - POWER OVER - not heterosexuals or homosexuals.

Pedophilia crosses all lines. Since the majority of humans are heterosexual - the majority of these rapes are by heterosexuals. The percentage of homosexuals to heterosexuals are low - so there will be fewer homosexual pedophiles.

Pedophilia is POWER-RAPE - and the PREFERENCE is predicated on CHILDREN (mainly female) - not heterosexuality or homosexuality.

In reality the only reason the molested male count is up is because fathers rape their own sons, and people in power over boys - coaches - troop leaders, etc, have easier access to boys to RAPE.

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yes i can concede those statistics that it is a higher percentage of girls who are approached by a male paedophile.

But that certainly does not diminish the point that many paedophiles will prey on males. Perhaps the perception of a man preying on another man is seen as a homosexual thing because its, as its name suggests, male/male....which is what homosexuality is.

 

[Me Myself]

Why do so many conservative Christians try to compare pedophilia with homosexuality?

Because both are unconventional forms of sexuality that revulse them.

So they pretend they are equal enough to be morally restricted in the same ways.

 

[Me Myself]

What?

Pedophilia as stated is not a sexual feeling

pedophilia refers to sexual feelings towards prepubecent.

Pedophiles are those who experience sexual arousal exclusively towards or primarely towards the prepubecent.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnostic criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13).[1][2][3][4]

Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Spoiler: sources

(the sources from where wikipedia gets this are "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition". American Psychiatric Publishing. 2013. Retrieved July 25, 2013.

See section F65.4 Paedophilia. "The ICD-10 Classification of Mental and Behavioural Disorders Diagnostic criteria for research World". World Health Organization/ICD-10. 1993. Retrieved 2012-10-10. "B. A persistent or a predominant preference for sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children. C. The person is at least 16 years old and at least five years older than the child or children in B."

Pedophilia". Encyclopædia Britannica.

Seto MC.(2009) Pedophilia. Annual Review of Clinical Psychology 5:391–407.

 

[Ingledsva]

pedophilia refers to sexual feelings towards prepubecent.

Pedophiles are those who experience sexual arousal exclusively towards or primarely towards the prepubecent.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnostic criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13).[1][2][3][4]

Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Spoiler: sources

(the sources from where wikipedia gets this are "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition". American Psychiatric Publishing. 2013. Retrieved July 25, 2013.

See section F65.4 Paedophilia. "The ICD-10 Classification of Mental and Behavioural Disorders Diagnostic criteria for research World". World Health Organization/ICD-10. 1993. Retrieved 2012-10-10. "B. A persistent or a predominant preference for sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children. C. The person is at least 16 years old and at least five years older than the child or children in B."

Pedophilia". Encyclopædia Britannica.

Seto MC.(2009) Pedophilia. Annual Review of Clinical Psychology 5:391–407.

I have noted that most of these dictionaries say something like - "A persistent or a predominant preference for sexual activity with a prepubescent child"

However that is not what the stats show.

Most of them are heterosexual, under forty, and married = having normal sex with their partners.

The urge they can't seem to fight, is to dominate and rape children - on the side.

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[Agnostic75]

Why do so many conservative Christians try to compare pedophilia with homosexuality?

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that most peodophiles are men who prey on young males and they proceed to commit homosexual acts on them.

You do not have a clue what you are talking about. An article at Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation says:

For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:

Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).
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In a later literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) similarly cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women" (p. 259).

An article at http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths says:

According to the American Psychological Association, "homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are." Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation's leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men.

Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships.

The Child Molestation Research and Prevention Institute notes that 90% of child molesters target children in their network of family and friends. Most child molesters, therefore, are not gay people lingering outside schools waiting to snatch children from the playground, as much religious-right rhetoric suggests.

Some anti-gay ideologues cite the American College of Pediatricians' opposition to same-sex parenting as if the organization were a legitimate professional body. In fact, the so-called college is a tiny breakaway faction of the similarly named, 60,000-member American Academy of Pediatrics that requires, as a condition of membership, that joiners "hold true to the group's core beliefs ... [including] that the traditional family unit, headed by an opposite-sex couple, poses far fewer risk factors in the adoption and raising of children." The group's 2010 publication Facts About Youth was described by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association as non-factual. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, was one of several legitimate researchers who said Facts misrepresented their findings. "It is disturbing to me to see special interest groups distort my scientific observations to make a point against homosexuality," he wrote. "The information they present is misleading and incorrect."

An article at Daily Kos: Gays are pedophiles? No. Here's the proof. says:

Hereis Fischer's reasoning:

As Tony Perkins of FRC said in his update yesterday, "While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. About a third of all child sex abuse cases involve men molesting boys--and in one study, 86% of such men identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Try as they might, gays and lesbians can't shrug off the link. This is a homosexual problem." Think about that for a moment. Homosexuals comprise less than three percent of the population, yet are responsible for one-third of all child sex abuse cases. There is an overwhelming correlation between homosexual preference and pedophilia. This is further evidence that homosexuality is in fact sexual deviancy. For this reason alone, no homosexual should be elevated to the United States Supreme Court.
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First it is not activists who "like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation" from homosexual orientation. It is very serious social scientists who have studied the subject closely who differentiate homosexual orientation from pedophilia -- even when acts of pedophilia are homosexual in nature.

One of the world's foremost experts on the subject of pedophilia is Fred Berlin. Here's a summation of his view:

According to Dr. Fred Berlin, a Johns Hopkins University professor who founded the National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma in Baltimore, Md., pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation marked by persistent, sometimes exclusive, attraction to prepubescent children. ~ Time
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The simplest understanding of this, and a very correct understanding is to see that sexual abuse isn't about sexual orientation or sexual attraction. Unattractive people are often victims of sexual abuse and sexual violence. Sexual violence and abuse is about power, domination, and control. It's not about sexual attraction.

Fischer cites a study that says 86% of men who molest boys identify themselves as gay or bisexual with no breakdown of gay or bisexual perpetrators. The study Fischer references is strongly criticized by the consensus of experts in this field. The paper he's referencing is Erickson et al. (1988). Behavior patterns of child molesters. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 17, 77-86. The paper does claim in passing that 86% of molesters of boys identified as gay or bisexual, but the paper does not describe how this data was gathered, and how it ascertained the sexual orientation of these men.

"But wait!" You might begin. "If men molest boys aren't they necessarily gay?" The answer is no. Because , for one, sexual orientation isn't about behavior alone. For example, when Governor Jim McGreevy feigned heterosexuality most of his life and formed a heterosexual family, and presumably engaged in heterosexual behavior was he a heterosexual all of that time? Or was he simply a closeted gay man? Behavior isn't always consistent with sexual orientation and attraction. Pedophiles are attracted, primarily, to children. The sex of those children matter less than that they are children. The sex of victim has more to do with access than sexual orientation.

The US Catholic Bishops commissioned a study on priestly child sex abuse from John Jay College. John Jay researcher Margaret Smith reported back to the Bishops on early findings from their study. From the USA Today:

We do not find a connection between homosexual identity and the increased likelihood of subsequent abuse from the data that we have right now ... It's important to separate the sexual identity and the behavior. Someone can commit sexual acts that might be of a homosexual nature but not have a homosexual identity.
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[Horrorble]

There is a difference between sexual orientation and peophila
Do yourself a favour. One female pedophile said, she molests children because she "...hates children" that is not the same a being romantically and sexually attracted to a certain sex.
When some people talk about homosexuality they talk about it as if it is purely about sex. It is also about love and emotional connection. Some men can only fall in love with other men and some women can only fall in love with other women. Stop making it sound more seedy than heterosexuality, it is not.

 

[Agnostic75]

Why do so many conservative Christians try to compare pedophilia with homosexuality?

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that most peodophiles are men who prey on young males and they proceed to commit homosexual acts on them.

You are misinformed. An article at Most Sex Abusers are Heterosexual | Stop Abuse Campaign says:

Dr. William C. Holmes, Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, authored a study in the December 1998 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association that indicated that 98 percent of all male perpetrators who had sexually abused boys were identified in their families and communities as heterosexual.

Researcher Carole Jenny found, in a 1994 study, that “a child’s risk of being molested by his or her relative’s heterosexual partner is 100 times greater than by someone who might be identified as homosexual.” Of the 93,000 sexually abused kids in the US in 1999 (the last year of available statistics), half of the children were sexually abused by their parents (Sandusky), while other relatives committed 18 percent of the offenses.

In other words, sexual orientation isn’t a factor in determining child sexual abuse.

The research is clear that the sexual orientation of an adult is not a factor in the analysis of child abuse. The American Psychological Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Child Psychiatrists and the Child Welfare League of America all have policy statements stating there is no correlation between homosexuality and child abuse.

You are also misinformed about the global flood, but that topic should be discussed in another thread.

 

[Riverwolf]

yes i can concede those statistics that it is a higher percentage of girls who are approached by a male paedophile.

But that certainly does not diminish the point that many paedophiles will prey on males. Perhaps the perception of a man preying on another man is seen as a homosexual thing because its, as its name suggests, male/male....which is what homosexuality is.

No, it's a male/child.

Male/male, i.e., homosexuality (which also refers to female/female), refers specifically to adults.

I have a question for you, Pegg, and any who might agree with you: do you recognize that it's possible for two people to have a homosexual relationship that has hardly any sex at all, if any?

 

[Draka]

yes i can concede those statistics that it is a higher percentage of girls who are approached by a male paedophile.

But that certainly does not diminish the point that many paedophiles will prey on males. Perhaps the perception of a man preying on another man is seen as a homosexual thing because its, as its name suggests, male/male....which is what homosexuality is.

That would not be "many", that would be "some" pedophiles preying on boys. And a man going after another man isn't the point as two men are adults, a man going after a child is pedophilia. No matter what gender they are going after. Matter of fact, it doesn't have to be a man going after a child at all, it can be a woman and in some cases it indeed is. If you really want to point fingers and associate a sexuality with pedophilia that badly, considering the actual statistics, it makes more sense to look at heterosexuality than homosexuality. Something tells me you wouldn't want to do that though would you?