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Pedophilic Culture

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I remember girls who were 14 who looked like that first picture. I also remember girls who looked like the 2nd girl. If you were to say no girls looked like the first girl, that would be wrong. Kids wore bell bottoms when I was a kid, so it's not in the last 20 years I'm talking. ;)
That's what I was thinking.

Little kids oftentimes ran around half in the buff playing, and parents would change their kids clothes outside in front of others in the old days.

Nobody thought that stuff was abnormal or sexual because there was really nothing to see when your very young. The coverage started upon puberty, when breasts started growing and body hair started to appear.

Even then, there were hot pants along with bell bottoms and low cut shirts, tube tops and that was seen as what a person wears when coming of age. Those fun times as a teen to adult.

I think the trouble started with sexualizing underwear and t shirts with graphics in the early 2000s drawing attention to one's 'naughty parts' becoming overnight a culture of perception, and then suddenly, just about everyone became potential pedophiles and rapists since.

It's amazing how generations change one from another.
 
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Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Blaming.capitalism,males,&porn.
It.seems.that.my.ilk.is.the.cause.of.all.woe.
No.one.is.ever.responsible.for.choices.they.make.for.themeslves.
Children are indeed not fully responsible for their choices.
That's one reason why we have a whole apparatus of institutions to take care of them.

The tenets of capitalist authoritarianism are poorly suited for childcare.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I don't see what you are (I even zoomed in), I see a dimple and/or scar on one side of the mouth.
It's around her mouth and nose. It's also her facial structure. Teens tend to have inbetween markers as their bones develop. Hers is the face of a fully developed adult.
Amd the entire way it's set up and delivered as "this is wrong and in these ways because it doesn't match my own personal life" is problematic.
 

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
We can not control what others find sexually arousing. Some people, including those attracted to children, have foot fetishes Do we ban all foot cream commercials and require our children to cover their feet? Perhaps we should enact Shariah Law and require that all our little girls cover their entire bodies and hide their faces to make sure no one is disturbed or aroused by their appearance?

Worldwide, there is a nearly unanimous ban on child/adult sexual activity. The war against it continues and those who find this behavior permissible are a minute minority, even among those who have such attractions. While there are outliers that inflame the public of lax sentences to sexual abusers of our children, most are, for the most part, handing out longer and longer sentences to these abusers. Going to prison as a child abuser is a very dangerous proposition.

To a very small degree, I see your point -- if you watch hair care and skin care commercials, I find it odd that these marketers almost always include children in them, as if saying that the soft skin and hair of a child is sexually attractive. But I don't see a "rise of pedophile culture". I see quite the opposite and I think those who see otherwise are alarmists.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member

Don't let your teenage/pre-teen kids dress like they are going to Studio 54 to Club. Let's also stop marketing make-up to teens and children too.
I don't see the connection to paedophilia. And I question make-up being specifically marketed to teens and children. Maybe a national issue, I just don't see it in Germany.
And I think that choosing one's own clothing should be one of the first things where children can express themselves. I'd rather control a child's media consume than their clothes.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Examples of Rape Culture
  • [...]
  • Teaching women to avoid getting raped
Teaching women to not get raped is rape culture? I think not teaching them to not get raped is more problematic. The necessity to do so may be unfortunate but I don't think it helps to ignore reality.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Teaching women to not get raped is rape culture? I think not teaching them to not get raped is more problematic. The necessity to do so may be unfortunate but I don't think it helps to ignore reality.
I *think* it may be the emphasis is entirely on women. Women discuss rape. Men do not discuss rape.
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member

Don't let your teenage/pre-teen kids dress like they are going to Studio 54 to Club. Let's also stop marketing make-up to teens and children too.
Don't forget that teens have sexuality too, it is not necessarily about older men, they want to look attractive to the boys their age.

And telling a teen what they should wear sounds both excessively controlling and a recipe for rebellion to me. I'm with @Heyo on this: it's ok to control the marketing but don't expect teens to not want to express their sexuality in their own way.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member

Don't let your teenage/pre-teen kids dress like they are going to Studio 54 to Club. Let's also stop marketing make-up to teens and children too.

I think it's pretty vulgar and awful. I remember a controversy about some club or school having a performance of girls as young as 8 dressed up as 1890s era saloon girls.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Children are indeed not fully responsible for their choices.
The."not.fully".portion.means.we.have.agreement.
The tenets of capitalist authoritarianism are poorly suited for childcare.
So.are.the.tenets.of.socialist.authoritarianism.
I.prefer.a.liberal.capitalist.approach.to.childcare.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Teaching women to not get raped is rape culture? I think not teaching them to not get raped is more problematic. The necessity to do so may be unfortunate but I don't think it helps to ignore reality.
You misunderstand. Rape culture teaches women it is their responsibility to not get raped. The article is saying that is wrong, and they shouldn't be teaching them it's their fault. They are telling you what rape culture is doing, which is wrong.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
BTW, women are NOT raped because they are sexually appealing! That is false. It is NOT the woman's fault when a violent male attacks them!

Here is what is really wrong. Rape Cuture. Victim Blaming:

Examples of Rape Culture
  • Blaming the victim (“She asked for it!”)
  • Trivializing sexual assault (“Boys will be boys!”)
  • Sexually explicit jokes
  • Tolerance of sexual harassment
  • Inflating false rape report statistics
  • Publicly scrutinizing a victim’s dress, mental state, motives, and history
  • Gratuitous gendered violence in movies and television
  • Defining “manhood” as dominant and sexually aggressive
  • Defining “womanhood” as submissive and sexually passive
  • Pressure on men to “score”
  • Pressure on women to not appear “cold”
  • Assuming only promiscuous women get raped
  • Assuming that men don’t get raped or that only “weak” men get raped
  • Refusing to take rape accusations seriously
  • Teaching women to avoid getting raped
Rape Culture, Victim Blaming, And The Facts | Southern Connecticut State University
You left off a couple.
(Son fixed my space bar.)
- Males being raped in TV is treated as either funny
or a useful threat by cops.
- Women sexually assaulting men is either funny
or a good response for their saying the wrong thing.

On the first one, Juggernaut gets is anally assaulted
in Deadpool 2.
On that last one, there's a scene in Murphy Brown
where she sexually assaults Frank.

Sexual assault should be wrong, no matter what
the age, race, gender, religion, etc...or what offensive
thing the victim said.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member

Don't let your teenage/pre-teen kids dress like they are going to Studio 54 to Club. Let's also stop marketing make-up to teens and children too.
The one of the left just looks like she happened to go through puberty a little earlier. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if that picture is of an actual adult to try and make the point. Disingenuously, may I add
The one on the right looks like she’s a late blossomer. Let girls have boobs. Some girls need a bra at 12, some at 15. Everyone is different. Some girls actually feel very low self esteem and feel like they need makeup to be beautiful. This isn’t a new phenomenon. My cousin is one of those girls and has been since we were kids.
I would take something like toddlers and tiaras to be pedophilic culture, since those are literally children whereas younger teenagers are adolescents who are usually going through puberty and thus not attractive to actual pedophiles
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Rape culture teaches women it is their responsibility to not get raped.
Who else holds the responsibility for a woman to not get raped, if not herself? Rapists? Good luck.

Seems like telling women not to take responsibility for their own safety is more of a rape culture thing than the obverse. Be aware that there is a real difference between taking ownership of your safety and blaming a victim for the crime committed against them.
 
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