Pedophilic Culture

[MatthewA]

Please contact local police if you hear of any information of children being sexually abused, please listen to your children if they have something to say about any type of incident like this; from the first mention. The first response starts with you.

Help by making the right choice to stop the abuse rather than continuance of the abuse.

 

[SomeRandom]

Oh, yer gonna get it for that attitude.
Recommending taking precautions against rape is seen
by many as blaming them. But would they argue against
giving advice such as...
- Don't accept drinks from people you don't really trust.
It's not called the "date rape drug" for nothing.
- Consider self defense, eg, pepper spray.
- Stay sober at parties...especially good advice for
young people.

I learnt all of that in high school health class and in a class we called “Lisk” (short for life skills.) You’re saying my crummy public school which emphasised trade is like ahead of the curve?
Geez, just how awful is the US education system?

 

[Kooky]

Promote the image that you'll get your balls kicked when you try to take advantage of a woman, and rapists will flee the country.

Who would you promote that image to? You just established that talking to men is "magical thinking that gets women raped", so who would get that message? Certainly not rapists.

And I think more women need to be taught to not get raped - literally and figuratively. As in "not getting taken advantage of". The rape culture is the one promoting women as passive, weak, push-overs.

Have you never actually stumbled upon self defense courses for women? They are a dime a dozen.
They don't prevent rape, as far as I can tell. Your belief that rape is caused by women being insufficiently strong and manly is exactly the kind of magical thinking that blames women for being raped, because they "could have done something to prevent it".

The cold, hard truth of the matter is that the most successful rapists tend to be fairly good at engineering situations to get their victim alone and vulnerable, and no amount of blaming women for not being tuff enuf is going to change that.

 

[Kooky]

Oh, yer gonna get it for that attitude.
Recommending taking precautions against rape is seen
by many as blaming them.

What individual precautions would you take against getting raped as an individual?

Do you know any that are known to prevent rape from occurring to individuals with reasonable certainty?

 

[Kooky]

You're ignoring reality if you think that:
We don't teach people not to rape. (We do.)

We don't teach people not to rape, actually. You are ignoring reality if you think we do.

That rapists care when they are taught not to rape. (They don't.)

You believe that being a rapist is an immutable trait that some people simply have from birth, and that nothing we do will ever change that. Otherwise, we would be able to raise people in such a way as to not become rapists.

What about we simply imprison or murder all rapists before they get to rape anybody?
By your own argument, that would be the most feasible solution, no?

 

[Revoltingest]

What individual precautions would you take against getting raped as an individual?

See the portion of the post (#43) you excised when quoting it.

 

[Kooky]

See the portion of the post you excised when quoting it.

None of those prevent rape with total certainty. Teetotallers are still being raped, and pepper sprays don't help when you're being raped by e.g. your boss, or in a situation where you wouldn't have it right besides you.

This kind of magical thinking blames women for "not doing enough" to not get raped, and for not being tuff enuf to not be a victim.

Fact of the matter is that it is rapists who decide when and whom to rape, not their victims.

 

[Revoltingest]

None of those prevent rape with total certainty. Teetotallers are still being raped, and pepper sprays don't help when you're being raped by e.g. your boss.

Some platitudes....
- Life offers certainty only in death & taxes.
- Demanding certainty is the enemy of useful.

 

[Kooky]

Some platitudes....
- Life offers certainty only in death & taxes.
- Demanding certainty is the enemy of useful.

Is that what you would tell an individual who was raped despite taking your "precautions"?

Or would you rather tell them that they were not looking tuff enuf to not be raped?

 

[Revoltingest]

Is that what you would tell an individual who was raped despite taking your "precautions"?

Or would you rather tell them that they were not looking tuff enuf to not be raped?

You're being uninteresting by merely
fishing for something to object to.

 

[Kooky]

You're being uninteresting by merely
fishing for something to object to.

You should have taken precautions against this.
As it stands, it looks like you just didn't do enough to prevent it from happening.

So once again, what would you tell a person who took all your precautions and still got raped as a result? What did they do wrong?

 

[Revoltingest]

You should have taken precautions against this.
As it stands, it looks like you just didn't do enough to prevent it from happening.

So once again, what would you tell a person who took all your precautions and still got raped as a result? What did they do wrong?

You seem to be arguing against advising people
about how to avoid being assaulted. Do you prefer
to only say comforting things to victims?

 

[Kooky]

You
seem to be
arguing against advising people about how to
avoid being
***
aulted.

As is the usual fashion, you are sorely mistaken and putting words into my mouth as a result.

You assume that if women had taken your advice, they wouldn't have been raped, as if that kind of advice hadn't been around for at least seven decades at this point in recorded history.

So why do men still rape women? Well, it can only be because women are too boneheaded and irrational to take this advice, certainly! After all, if they took the advice, they wouldn't have been raped!

It's the kind of "advice" borne out of an utter unfamiliarity with the subject, paired with the arrogance of knowing better than the people who have to deal with this as a matter of their everyday lives. It is "advice" borne from the premise that rape only happens to loose, inconsiderate women who don't know how to take care of themselves.

Of course, you will read none of this, and only take away from this entire section "Kooky mad, Kooky stoopid" but hey, I am nothing if not persistent in the face of futility and an utter lack of results.

Do you prefer
to only say comforting things to victims?

What would you say to victims who took your precautions but didn't succeed in preventing their own rape?

 

[Revoltingest]

What would you say to victims who took your precautions but didn't succeed in preventing their own rape?

I wouldn't know until the occasion arrived.
What would you say to someone whose rape
could've been prevented had you not opposed
offering useful advice?

 

[Heyo]

Who would you promote that image to? You just established that talking to men is "magical thinking that gets women raped", so who would get that message? Certainly not rapists.

Ideally it would become a common cultural image. But to establish it as such, it needs to be promoted.

Have you never actually stumbled upon self defense courses for women? They are a dime a dozen.
They don't prevent rape, as far as I can tell. Your belief that rape is caused by women being insufficiently strong and manly is exactly the kind of magical thinking that blames women for being raped, because they "could have done something to prevent it".

There are some McDojo courses that don't help. But the truly good ones (usually help by police people) don't just teach one or two moves, they teach confidence. The best prevention from rape is to not look like a victim.

The cold, hard truth of the matter is that the most successful rapists tend to be fairly good at engineering situations to get their victim alone and vulnerable, and no amount of blaming women for not being tuff enuf is going to change that.

Do you think women get raped because they are vulnerable and not tuff enuf?
I think that is a cultural stereotype that is promoted by our western, judeo-christian-muslim culture. Women have to be weak, they have to have a guardian. BS. No woman needs a male guardian when she knows what she is capable of.

 

[Kooky]

Ideally it would become a common cultural image. But to establish it as such, it needs to be promoted.

Promoted among women, because we established that talking to men won't do anything.
How is this going to help when you're telling women that rapists will "get their balls kicked", a notion that they know for a fact is an empty claim with no substance and no way to follow up upon?

There are some McDojo courses that don't help. But the truly good ones (usually help by police people) don't just teach one or two moves, they teach confidence. The best prevention from rape is to not look like a victim.

Do you believe that when women get raped by their dates or ex boyfriends, that happens because they "looked like a victim"?
Do you believe that it was their lack of confidence that was the inciting cause for that case of sexual assault, or were there perhaps other factors in play?

 

[Revoltingest]

No woman needs a male guardian when she knows what she is capable of.

Of course, there are occasions when anyone, male or female,
could use traveling companions, eg, late at night when walking.
Groups are less attractive to would be assailants. Are one's
companions "guardians"? They'd be serving that role.
I've been asked to provide such informal security.

 

[Kooky]

@Heyo @Revoltingest
Here is some data to illustrate why I'm so skeptical of your argument, guys:

Sexual Assault Statistics

One in five women in the United States experienced completed or attempted rape during their lifetime. SOURCE

About half (51.1%) of female victims of rape reported being raped
by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance. SOURCE

One in three female victims of completed or attempted rape experienced it
for the first time between the ages of 11 and 17. SOURCE


How does that gel with your argument that women won't get raped if they follow your advice?

 

[Kooky]

Of course, there are occasions when anyone, male or female,
could use traveling companions, eg, late at night when walking.
Groups are less attractive to would be assailants. Are one's
companions "guardians"? They'd be serving that role.
I've been asked to provide such informal security.

It's standard procedures among women in my culture to never go out alone at night. That's one reason why you so often tend to see young women out and about in pairs or larger groups - it's not just a social thing, it's also a safety measure. A woman out alone at night is generally not going to have a good time, even if she is not being raped.

But see, we need to reiterate this from a man's mouth, or the chickens wouldn't know what was good and proper.

 

[MatthewA]

No one ever had to teach us how to be bad.

If a person use pornography every single day multiple hours through the day and is watching videos which progressive become more demanding and to the point of bdsm or whatever type of videos with a range of trauma from living life from their parents who may have been or not been abusive to them, along with whatever the persons finds, seeks, and enjoys what is desired by the flesh the mind can move forward into making actions to stalk, rape, or kill someone. It doesn’t matter if it is a man, woman, or a child who does the actions.

Naturally we are bad, and some things in life can make a person grow and wax worse the more deeper and further they go into darkness which may move even past porn yet to killing of animals.

Of course this just a hypothetical but considering all the crimes of people over the world it would seem people with history of violence, troubled past, will act as they desire if it leads up the point of causing harm to others.