Pedophilic Culture

[Revoltingest]

It's standard procedures among women in my culture to never go out alone at night.

Women here are more independent.

 

[Kooky]

Women here are more independent.

Would you advise women against being independent, then?

 

[Revoltingest]

Would you advise women against being independent, then?

Are you (being in the patriarchy) forcing
women in your country to be dependent?

 

[MatthewA]

Please report any incident of misconduct of Male/Female/Child abuse, to the police so that proper actions can be made to stop abuse. No one should have to live in fear of their life has been put through danger by someone else.

Man/Woman/Children (one of the earliest reports was of a child who killed three children, bashed the skull in with a rock, and placed their body in the field covered with grass ) are capable of murder.

So please be mindful and watch and love keeping up with your children, also report any abuse going on in the home, if you child mentions anything to you about any type of abuse, or a family friend.

 

[Kooky]

Are you (being in the patriarchy) forcing
women in your country to be dependent?

Do you think it is the patriarchy that forces women to go out in pairs or groups?

 

[Heyo]

Promoted among women, because we established that talking to men won't do anything.
How is this going to help when you're telling women that rapists will "get their balls kicked", a notion that they know for a fact is an empty claim with no substance and no way to follow up upon?


Do you believe that when women get raped by their dates or ex boyfriends, that happens because they "looked like a victim"?
Do you believe that it was their lack of confidence that was the inciting cause for that case of sexual assault, or were there perhaps other factors in play?

I think we will not convince each other of our (idealistic) views of women. You like them weak, dependent and as potential victims, I like them strong, independent and responsible. I admit that your picture is more realistic but I refuse to accept that reality as inevitable. Equality begins in the mind.

 

[SomeRandom]

Some platitudes....
- Life offers certainty only in death & taxes.
- Demanding certainty is the enemy of useful.

This is little comfort to the 80 year old grandma who is gang raped.
Should not our justice system hold the scum who would do this to a vulnerable member of our community be held accountable, rather than just saying to her, well her wellbeing and safety is not 100% guaranteed, merely her death and taxes?
(I think you as a person would likely want such people to be punished at the very least.)

Of course, there are occasions when anyone, male or female,
could use traveling companions, eg, late at night when walking.
Groups are less attractive to would be assailants. Are one's
companions "guardians"? They'd be serving that role.
I've been asked to provide such informal security.

Good advice to be given, I’m sure I agree.
The same advice, more or less, could be given to victims of murder. Surely murder is a heinous crime all the same, regardless of gender or sex, no?

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you think it is the patriarchy that forces women to go out in pairs or groups?

You would know, being in it.
(I've never been invited to join.)

 

[Kooky]

I think we will not convince each other of our (idealistic) views of women. You like them weak, dependent and as potential victims, I like them strong, independent and responsible. I admit that your picture is more realistic but I refuse to accept that reality as inevitable. Equality begins in the mind.

If you are going to take nothing else I said in here with you, I beg you to at least peruse the statistics I linked to earlier.
If we are going to try and alleviate the plight of victims of sexual assault, we need to base this on the reality they are living in.

 

[Kooky]

You would know, being in it.
(I've never been invited to join.)

So first, you berate women for not taking sufficient precautions against getting raped.
And now you belittle women who do take precautions as insufficiently "independent".

Women can't win with you, can they?

 

[Revoltingest]

This is little comfort to the 80 year old grandma who is gang raped.

Many things that are useful
aren't necessarily comforting.

Should not our justice system hold the scum who would do this to a vulnerable member of our community be held accountable, rather than just saying to her well safety is not 100% guaranteed, merely death and taxes?

Of course perps should be prosecuted (& rehabilitated).
Did you infer otherwise?

(I think you as a person would likely want such people to be punished at the very least.)

Spluh.

Good advice to be given I’m sure I agree.
The same advice more or less could be given to victims of murder. Surely which should be instilled in our population that Murder is a heinous crime all the same, regardless of gender or sex, no?

Of course.
I also give advice about....
- Avoiding thievery
- Avoiding accidental injury
- Good dental hygiene

Notice:
The above list is merely representative.
It is not exhaustive.
I give other useful advice too.

 

[Revoltingest]

So first, you berate women...

This is a false claim.
You should take more care to be factual.

 

[SomeRandom]

Many things that are useful
aren't necessarily comforting.

Of course perps should be prosecuted (& rehabilitated).
Did you infer otherwise?

Spluh.

Of course.
I also give advice about....
- Avoiding thievery
- Avoiding accidental injury
- Good dental hygiene

Notice:
The above list is merely representative.
It is not exhaustive.
I give other useful advice too.

I know that your advice is genuinely good advice and should be heeded. I think we should be telling young people of all gender and sexual identities to never travel alone at night, to always watch your drinks, to try and not end in compromising positions. We agree on this.
Too often, however, failure to live up to these expectations results in excusing the actual perpetrators. Surely we can admonish (at least those in ages in the adolescent range) people, men and women and everything in between, from abstaining from such advice whilst still punishing the perpetrators of such crimes. Yes?
Too often this is not the case, unfortunately. I mean even Jack the Ripper knew to prey on women society deemed unworthy of protection. That wasn’t borne out of ignorance or luck. He noticed a pattern in society and exploited it. We should not fall victim to such a mentality again. I would hope.
Just because Suzie walked home alone after her midnight shift should not result in a “not guilty” verdict to the perp in a courtroom, right? But that happens. And we need to address the fact that this mentality does impact such a verdict (potentially.)

 

[Revoltingest]

I know that your advice is genuinely good advice and should be heeded. I think we should be telling young people of all gender and sexual identities to never travel alone at night, to always watch your drinks, to try and not end in compromising positions. We agree on this.
Too often, however, failure to live up to these expectations results in excusing the actual perpetrators. Surely we can admonish (at least those in ages in the adolescent range) people, men and women and everything in between, from abstaining from such advice whilst still punishing the perpetrators of such crimes. Yes?
Too often this is not the case, unfortunately. I mean even Jack the Ripper knew to prey on women society deemed unworthy of protection. That wasn’t borne out of ignorance or luck. He noticed a pattern in society and exploited it. We should not fall victim to such a mentality again. I would hope

Boring though it be,
I completely agree.

 

[SomeRandom]

Boring though it be,
I completely agree.

Ha, that rhymes

 

[Revoltingest]

Ha, that rhymes

I'm compelled to do that sometimes.

 

[Stevicus]

@Heyo @Revoltingest
Here is some data to illustrate why I'm so skeptical of your argument, guys:

Sexual Assault Statistics

One in five women in the United States experienced completed or attempted rape during their lifetime. SOURCE

About half (51.1%) of female victims of rape reported being raped
by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance. SOURCE

One in three female victims of completed or attempted rape experienced it
for the first time between the ages of 11 and 17. SOURCE


How does that gel with your argument that women won't get raped if they follow your advice?

One stat which is a bit more difficult to find is what percentage of men are actually rapists. I found this link from Quora: (3) What percentage of men are rapists? - Quora

There really are no clear statistics on rape, as it is perhaps the most under-reported of crimes. It is estimated that less than 10% of victims report the crime to authorities. Many never tell anyone, even their closest friends. In America, most rapes are not perpetrated by strangers, but by domestic partners, family members, friends, coworkers, bosses, landlords. All of the statistics we are provided seem inaccurate and often biased one way or another. It is impossible to give you an accurate percentage because that number simply is not known… all we can do is guess… and some people’s guesses are better than others due to expertise, research, field experience.

Sex crimes is not my area of study, but I have dozens of associates in my network who are experts who have studied thousands of cases spanning many decades. Based on my conversations with them, I would guestimate that roughly 1% of American males are serial rapists (3 or more victims), and probably 5% of American males have forced themselves upon an unwilling female who did not consent… often this is minimized as “date rape” if the victim was too frightened or shocked to struggle, or if she had consumed too much alcohol to struggle or had been dosed with a sedative or hypnotic drug.

Now, if you wanted to add child rape to the statistic, double that number to 10%.

It is possible that 1 in 10 males has, at least once in their lives, forced a woman to have sex against her will or molested a child. That means that 9 out of 10 have not. I can guarantee that at least 3 out of 10 males would not think twice about beating an accused rapist into the hospital if they had the opportunity. And then there is the 1 in 100 who actively hunt these predators down, whether that be through official channels like ICAP, NCMEC, or PROTECT, or via unsanctioned vigilante action.

Rest assured, at least in the United States the good guys outnumber the bad guys… and we are winning.

Other answers mentioned it could be 6% or even as low as 1%, at least in the United States. It may be different in other regions of the world.

So, the vast majority of men (90% or more) are not rapists. Most men in the US, Canada, UK, etc. know that it's wrong to rape women (or men, for that matter). But there's still that 5-10% who still do - or have done it in their past. (I'm not necessarily relying on the statistics presented, although if there are any reliable sources one might know of, please let me know.)

But needless to say, most men are on board with wanting to stop rape and put rapists behind bars. But there are also physical and legal realities we have to deal with. Obviously, we can't protect everyone from every potential bad thing that might happen to them, although perhaps we can question whether we're doing everything humanly possible to try just the same. Are the laws strong enough? Does society teach and instill enough "street sense" into our youth so that they can go into the world with some knowledge and situational awareness - so that they can better protect themselves from potential danger?

I never thought the victim was to blame for a crime. Clearly, the perpetrator is to blame for their own crime, but society would typically view them as criminals - sick and twisted and deserving of punishment to the full extent of the law. They are an anomaly - their moral compass was damaged somehow. Maybe they can be cured, although I'll leave it to the professionals to figure that one out. All we can do is just put them away.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's not rape, in my opinion. Rape is violent coerced penetration (with a penis or other object) vaginally, anally or orally.

I know a man who was raped by a woman who got him drunk and took advantage. It wasn't violent but it still did damage to him.

You're ignoring reality if you think that:
We don't teach people not to rape. (We do.)

Not really. Instead it causes a big controversy when the mentality of "boys will be boys" is challenged, and it's thought to be an assault to dating and healthy human relationships when people are expected to mind what they say, keep their hands to themselves, and do absolutely nothing without consent. We really don't instill that no means no, we don't teach that consent is the end-all of it and there are no ifs ands or buts, but we will downplay and dismiss it when the star quarterback on the college or high school football team rapes a woman. Boys will be boys, after all. Don't challenge it or model good behavior, because that is woke rubbish.

 

[Mister Emu]

We don't teach people not to rape, actually. You are ignoring reality if you think we do

Not really.

Maybe your "we" isn't my "we". Because my "we" teaches, and has taught for generations, people not to rape. My "we" told me not to have sex unless the person was willing. My "we" was a culture of, "if someone rapes our family member, they better hope the police get to them before we do". My "we" had a popular T.V. show about how horrible rape is and how rapists deserve punishment.

You believe that being a rapist is an immutable trait that some people simply have from birth

What? That's a really bad non-sequitur. How on earth did you get that from me saying that people who end up raping others don't care that they have been taught not to rape.

By your own argument, that would be the most feasible solution, no?

Even if we assumed the other nonsense was real... what?

I know a man who was raped by a woman who got him drunk and took advantage. It wasn't violent but it still did damage to him.

Yeah. It's still rape. I remember being on Bourbon St. for New Years, some guy propositioned me and I, being straight, turned him down. His response was to say he was going to wait until I was too drunk to say no and then do his thing. Just the threat was bad enough. I can't imagine having it fulfilled.

Instead it causes a big controversy when the mentality of "boys will be boys" is challenged

Boys will be boys isn't about rape. That's why there is controversy, for most people you are falsely conflating male rambunctiousness with rape.

 

[Kooky]

But needless to say, most men are on board with wanting to stop rape and put rapists behind bars.

Is that why whenever there is talk about sexual misconduct among wealthy men, Social Media (including this forum) is filled with messages bemoaning "false rape accusations" along with putting forth allegiations that women accusing men of sexual misconduct are doing so "for the attention" or monetary gain?

If the majority of men really do want to prevent rape, sexual assault and harassment, then how does that gel with this persistent trope of responses to factual, real allegiations of sexual assault?