People of color.

[ImmortalFlame]

I agree! And pro-black and pro-brown movements have a history of being dog whistles for black and brown racist movements. But your biased standards seem to prevent you from seeing this. The reality is, all pro-racial movements have a history of being bigoted and racist movements. Unfortunately this reality seems to elude you.

Are you conflating movements that seek equality with movements that seek supremacy?

 

[Kfox]

Are you conflating movements that seek equality with movements that seek supremacy?

I am conflating movements that already have equality, but claim they do not; with movements that claim they are superior, but are not. Both movements are wrong IMO because they attempt to bring themselves up while bringing others down.

 

[The Hammer]

I am conflating movements that already have equality, but claim they do not; with movements that claim they are superior, but are not. Both movements are wrong IMO because they attempt to bring themselves up while bringing others down.

Whatever you say buddy.

 

[Kfox]

I match colors all the time. I have never seen a white or black person, if, by the book, color accuracy is important. The colors needed to match the skin tones of "black and white", people, are both blends of the same three colors. Both can be made with black/blue, yellow oxide; mustard yellow, and iron oxide; rustic potato red. You can get both skin colors by blending these three colorants in various proportions.

Black people are technically shades of brown and contain more black/blue and less yellow and red. White people are not white, but also also blends of the same colorants. They tend to have more yellow and red, but less black/blue. Fake news and Propaganda tend to lie about things, even as simple as color matching. The layman, who does not know how colors match tend to recite the meme, to run with the fad herd.

When I was a teen, having a good tan was in style. Back then, people were less whiny about the sun. A good summer tan would make my skin more golden brown; fried chicken. The sun and its impact on my skin is adding more black/blue. It would also add extra red, to my skin, in late spring, if I burned my base tan toward lobster red. The tan made one looked healthier and it sort of bridges the gap between the human color blends. Lefty marketing made people paranoid of the sun; Big Brother is needed, thereby keeping "black and white", more separated.

The OP was not in reference to people with actual white or black skin, it was in reference to people of the race commonly called white or black. Do you have an opinion on the issues I raised?

 

[Revoltingest]

Labels that acquire tarnish, or need a new embiggening
meaning get replaced.
One was replaced with "colored" which was replaced
with "black" which was replaced with "African American"
which was replaced (not fully) with "people of color",
which will be replaced with something else.
But of all the historical names, I expect that many
will never return...

Spoiler: Some offensive terms I've heard & remember

"Darkie", "moon cricket", "jigaboo", "coon", "boot lip",
"spook", "spade", "jungle bunny", & "porch monkey".
Although, that last one seemed to refer to university
students of all colors here.

 

[Kfox]

Labels that acquire tarnish, or need a new embiggening
meaning get replaced.
One was replaced with "colored" which was replaced
with "black" which was replaced with "African American"
which was replaced (not fully) with "people of color",
which will be replaced with something else.
But of all the historical names, I expect that many
will never return...

Spoiler: Some offensive terms I've heard & remember

"Darkie", "moon cricket", "jigaboo", "coon", "boot lip",
"spook", "spade", "jungle bunny", & "porch monkey".
Although, that last one seemed to refer to university
students of all colors here.

People of color did not replace African American. African American is about 1 race, People of Color is about all races except 1; hence my problem with it.

 

[Revoltingest]

People of color did not replace African American. African American is about 1 race, People of Color is about all races except 1; hence my problem with it.

That's why I inserted the "not fully".

 

[Kfox]

That's why I inserted the "not fully".

But People of Color is as much about Indians and Mexicans as it is about Black people. It in no way replaces anything, it's just something different that African Americans are a part of; along with a lot of other people.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I am conflating movements that already have equality, but claim they do not; with movements that claim they are superior, but are not. Both movements are wrong IMO because they attempt to bring themselves up while bringing others down.

Can you give an example of a movement that "already have equality but claim they do not"?

 

[Altfish]

My thoughts? Black and white aren't colors.

I don't know about you but I'm a pinky sort of colour, not white.
Most 'black' people are not black they are various shades from pink to dark brown.
I'm never referred to as a person of colour, why should people of slightly darker skin be so referred?

 

[SalixIncendium]

I don't know about you but I'm a pinky sort of colour, not white.
Most 'black' people are not black they are various shades from pink to dark brown.
I'm never referred to as a person of colour, why should people of slightly darker skin be so referred?

I was speaking of black and white in general, not as it refers to people.

Personally, I find it annoying when people use the terms 'white' and 'black' when referencing people, because I've yet to find anyone that was truly either.

 

[exchemist]

So do Native Americans.

I’m not talking about 300 years ago, I’m talking about today! Today white people experience racism just like everybody else, and today white is not considered right.

Can you give examples of the Legislature, Judicial system, and Societal systems designating racism existing today?

Aha, the mask slips, at last.

 

[Kfox]

Can you give an example of a movement that "already have equality but claim they do not"?

Black Lives Matter.

 

[Kfox]

Aha, the mask slips, at last.

What does that mean? Were you under the impression I've been trying to hide something?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Black Lives Matter.

So black people are not disproportionately the victims of police violence?

 

[Alien826]

I'm going to get into trouble with this.

Years ago (the 1980s) I came over to the USA from England to work on a contract. At the time, the PC thing in England was that "black" should not be used to refer to, well, negroes (I thought for some time what word to use there). The correct term was "colored" (yeah yeah, coloured) we were told, and I dutifully dropped "black" in favor of "colored". The first time I used the word over here (I now live in the USA) it was greeted with shock. "You shouldn't say that, it should be 'black'". OK, I thought "black" it is. Since then I have tried to be good and used "African American*" and so on.

I guess I've become old and grumpy, but I get more and more fed up with being told what words, in my native language, I am allowed or not allowed to use. I get it that people get offended and I don't want to do that, but isn't there some onus on the offended person to consider whether the speaker intends to be offensive? Is it unreasonable for me to ask that people should make up their minds what words I am allowed to use and stick to it?

Here's a good reason not to be so easily offended. Lots of people, myself included, really try to remove all traces of racism from their thoughts and actions. They also, and this is where the problem usually arises, try to express support for oppressed groups of people, only to be rejected because they don't use the "correct" word. Can you see how these well meaning people can be put off and just give up on the whole thing?

OK, flame away.

* I think it was Bush the younger that said (in South Africa) "Nelson Mandela is the first African American President of South Africa". OK, very funny, but think for a minute. What was he supposed to say? "African American" was the PC way to say it at the time in the USA. He couldn't use any other words and still be PC. But it doesn't make sense outside the USA.

 

[exchemist]

What does that mean? Were you under the impression I've been trying to hide something?

Indeed.

 

[icehorse]

I was having a conversation with a white person who referred to me and people like me as people/persons of color. I responded by referring to him and people like him as people/persons of color. He responded that people of color consist of only black or brown people, and I retorted white is just as much of a color as black, brown, or anything else and if he wanted to refer to black or brown people, he should use those words rather than something vague and incorrect. Upon further investigation I found out the term was originally coined by 17th century racists who wanted to distinguish white people from non whites, but fell out of favor shortly afterwords only to be brought back in the 1970’s by black and brown racists who wanted to separate white people from all the other races. Most of the people I know who use the term are not bigots or racists yet use the term coined by bigots and racists. Are these people just parroting something they’ve heard someone else use without thinking what these words actually mean? Or something else? Your thoughts?

I feel that sometimes SJWs use this term, which once again highlights how problematic identity politics are.

 

[Revoltingest]

But People of Color is as much about Indians and Mexicans as it is about Black people. It in no way replaces anything, it's just something different that African Americans are a part of; along with a lot of other people.

Clearly, my "not fully" modifier was inadequate
to the task of expressing what I intended.

 

[Lyndon]

the only thing obvious in this nonsense argument by the OP is that he is a Republican right wing apologist and a minority among his own race, that makes me sad