Persecution and killings of peaceful Ahmadi Muslims

[The Emperor of Mankind]

In spite of all that I argue with paarsurrey and disagree with his points of view; if Ahmadiyya was the most accepted version of Islam while the more violent sects had the populations of today's global Ahmadi community then the world (or at least the Middle East) would be a better place.

 

[leibowde84]

Only truth brings peace; I am just doing that.

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No ... you seem to use confirmation bias and discount any evidence found that contradicts your already held beliefs. If an academic study strikes you as contradicting the Quran, for example, you most often discount it as dishonest without actually studying the evidence. Yesterday, for example, you stated that you don't judge religious claims on their merits.

 

[leibowde84]

In spite of all that I argue with paarsurrey and disagree with his points of view; if Ahmadiyya was the most accepted version of Islam while the more violent sects had the populations of today's global Ahmadi community then the world (or at least the Middle East) would be a better place.

That is certainly true.

 

[cambridge79]

Till such times, the peaceful minority becomes the peaceful majority with the grace of God, that is the ultimate destiny:

[2:156] And We will try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives, and fruits; but give glad tidings to the patient,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=155​

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at that point you'll find yourself to be the ones who will persecute those who have than become minorities, because that's the nature of competition itself.

 

[paarsurrey]

at that point you'll find yourself to be the ones who will persecute those who have than become minorities, because that's the nature of competition itself.

How do you understand that it is nature, it must be un-natural? Please
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

We Ahmadiyya-Islam don't hate or persecute anybody, we rather love and respect everybody irrespective of one's religion,race, colour or creed.
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The Ahmadiyya sect to announce an explicit position from the Koran
There are two possibilities
The first is that the Koran rejects all
The second is that all accept the Koran
There is no line between the two center
I am a Christian I reject all the Koran
And my position clear
But to say that the Ahmadiyya teachings of peace, this is contrary to the Koran
Because the teachings of the Koran does not know peace

 

[psychoslice]

Its horrible that anyone is killed over stupid religion no matter what that religion is, and that includes Muslims.

 

[RamaRaksha]

Surprising as it may seem - there are rational explanations to why Ahmadiyas are being persecuted
These religions are Master/Slave religions born when Kings ruled - there was no democracy, you got down on your knees, swore undying loyalty and begged for his mercy and protection. The King's word was law - see Abraham ready to murder his own child - the Slave must obey the Master. Recently in Church two teenage kids were brutally beaten by members but what was unusual was some of the members were their own family! One of the kids died as a result of this beating. In Pakistan, i beleive, a woman was sentenced to death by these primitive courts - death by stone-throwing - one of the throwers who killed her was her own son! Again you see the Slave mentality. Why go so far - here in the US - with its educated and intelligent people - at least 2 TV shows where a child draws a cartoon showing her Father, who doesn't attend Church - burning in Hell! This is her own father, one who loves her, protects her, would give his life for her - but Master above all - Master must be obeyed, even own father must be tossed into Hell!
The likes of Bobby Jindal and Nikkie Haley - coming from religions that do not teach this hate and division(Hinduism and Sikhism) converting to religions that preach this division - highly educated people ready to throw their own parents, siblings and relatives into hell
Remember these religions constantly stress that Heaven can only be given, it cannot be earned, that puts you in their power - the greed for the good easy life blinding people - once you think your well-being rests with X, he now has you in his power, he can make you do anything and in the above cases even kill and murder your own loved ones
And so now you see why Ahmadiyas must be punished - they are not obeying the master - they are doing something different that Master does not like that is how the Mullahs preach. Slaves fighting over which one Master likes his best and whom he will reward, fighting over who gets the reward. Now you see why in these religions Heavens are segregated by religion - if you are not one of them, there is no place for you in heaven - see the word Kingdom being used - well in a Kingdom, if you do not profess loyalty to the King, out you go, there is no place for you in the kingdom
Amazing such primitive and backward ideas are the dominant religions of the day

 

[RamaRaksha]

at that point you'll find yourself to be the ones who will persecute those who have than become minorities, because that's the nature of competition itself.

Exactly! All this talk of muslim persecution here in the US - when persecuted everyone gets immediate enlightenment, well at least half-enlightenment anyway, it seems - whether it is Christians under ISIS or muslims in the US, we get - "We should not judge people by religion, underneath we are all the same, human beings with families and loved ones, hopes and desires like everyone else". Well, just as you said, once they become the majority, no more discrimination, back comes the "You are all going to hell because you don't believe as we do etc etc" - Islamic countries are some of the worst when it comes to treating minorities fairly, and yet when they get here to the US, suddenly they realize how wrong it is to treat minorities

 

[paarsurrey]

Exactly! All this talk of muslim persecution here in the US - when persecuted everyone gets immediate enlightenment, well at least half-enlightenment anyway, it seems - whether it is Christians under ISIS or muslims in the US, we get - "We should not judge people by religion, underneath we are all the same, human beings with families and loved ones, hopes and desires like everyone else". Well, just as you said, once they become the majority, no more discrimination, back comes the "You are all going to hell because you don't believe as we do etc etc" - Islamic countries are some of the worst when it comes to treating minorities fairly, and yet when they get here to the US, suddenly they realize how wrong it is to treat minorities

Not a good generalization about the Ahmadi peaceful Muslims. Please
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[cambridge79]

Not a good generalization about the Ahmadi peaceful Muslims. Please
Regards

let's suppose something happens and your people become the majority in muslim world. with that of course come power and respect from others. You become the leading group in the muslim world.
than a new current emerges with different ideas from yours, ideas that may seem to you even blasphemous.
At first they are a minority, but they gain numbers quite rapidly and they grow quite fast: many of your people even turn to them and join their ranks.
if you do nothing they will outnumber you in some years. What would you think you would do?
- do nothing, watch them grow and go back to be a minority in a few years time.
- try to make it difficult for them to gain numbers and credibility, wich would mean oppress them?

 

[paarsurrey]

let's suppose something happens and your people become the majority in muslim world. with that of course come power and respect from others. You become the leading group in the muslim world.
than a new current emerges with different ideas from yours, ideas that may seem to you even blasphemous.
At first they are a minority, but they gain numbers quite rapidly and they grow quite fast: many of your people even turn to them and join their ranks.
if you do nothing they will outnumber you in some years. What would you think you would do?
- do nothing, watch them grow and go back to be a minority in a few years time.
- try to make it difficult for them to gain numbers and credibility, wich would mean oppress them?

It is just a conjecture. Isn't it? Please
Regards

 

[cambridge79]

It is just a conjecture. Isn't it? Please
Regards

It's not a conjecture because I asked a question, I didn't provide an answer or made a statement. I simply made up an hypothetical situation and I just asked what do you think your people would do in that kind of hypothetical situation, aren't you able to imagine situations?

 

[gnostic]

Surprising as it may seem - there are rational explanations to why Ahmadiyas are being persecuted
These religions are Master/Slave religions born when Kings ruled - there was no democracy, you got down on your knees, swore undying loyalty and begged for his mercy and protection. The King's word was law - see Abraham ready to murder his own child - the Slave must obey the Master.


Remember these religions constantly stress that Heaven can only be given, it cannot be earned, that puts you in their power - the greed for the good easy life blinding people - once you think your well-being rests with X, he now has you in his power, he can make you do anything and in the above cases even kill and murder your own loved ones
And so now you see why Ahmadiyas must be punished - they are not obeying the master - they are doing something different that Master does not like that is how the Mullahs preach. Slaves fighting over which one Master likes his best and whom he will reward, fighting over who gets the reward. Now you see why in these religions Heavens are segregated by religion - if you are not one of them, there is no place for you in heaven - see the word Kingdom being used - well in a Kingdom, if you do not profess loyalty to the King, out you go, there is no place for you in the kingdom
Amazing such primitive and backward ideas are the dominant religions of the day

Primitive, indeed.

However, I don't see how democracy working in the afterlife.

Imagine that:

democracy in heaven, where those in heaven can vote God out of his god-hood office; God become ex-God.​

 

[NathanShepard8888]

Till such times, the peaceful minority becomes the peaceful majority with the grace of God, that is the ultimate destiny:

[2:156] And We will try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives, and fruits; but give glad tidings to the patient,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=155​

Regards

I would like to know more about the Ahmadi. Please message me.

 

[paarsurrey]

I would like to know more about the Ahmadi. Please message me.

I sent a message. Does it help?
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[paarsurrey]

November 22/23, 2015
Ahmadis targeted by miscreants and lawbreakers in the presence of law enforcement personnel Ahmadiyya place of worship was attacked and its belongings burnt in Kala Gujran: Spokesperson Ahmadiyya Community Chenab Nagar, Rabwah (PR): Miscreants attacked an Ahmadi place of worship in Kala Gujran, Jhelum.
https://www.persecutionofahmadis.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/News-report-November-2015.pdf
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[paarsurrey]

Bangladesh Ahmadi mosque bombed
A bomb exploded Friday at a mosque of the minority Ahmadi Muslim group in Bangladesh's northwestern town of Bagmara leaving the suspected suicide bomber dead and three other people injured, police said.

Police said the bomb blast occurred when the small Ahmadiya Muslim Jamaat mosque at Bagmara, some 250 kilometres (150 miles) from the capital, Dhaka, was packed with worshippers during Friday prayers.

"One person died on the spot and three other people were injured. It seems he was carrying the bomb and it looks like it was a suspected suicide blast," local police chief Motiar Rahman told AFP.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3373967/Bangladesh-Ahmadi-mosque-bombed.html

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei...TF-8#q=Ahmadiyya+mosque+attcked+in+Bangladesh

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