Ignatius A
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So then it renders such classification useless but that's precisely the problem, everything now means different things to different people.
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"Person of Color," "Brown," or "White"? Or Something Else?
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A close friend of mine is Ojibwe.
He prefers being referred to as such, and hates that 'Indigenous' has entered the Canadian parlance as the go-to word to respectfully describe individual native people. It's not that the term is offensive, but that umbrella terms are deployed by White Canadians so that they do not have to burden themselves with learning about First Nations. A white liberal can add the word to their vocabulary and pat themselves on the back without learning anything about a given person's actual nationality.
He prefers being referred to as such, and hates that 'Indigenous' has entered the Canadian parlance as the go-to word to respectfully describe individual native people. It's not that the term is offensive, but that umbrella terms are deployed by White Canadians so that they do not have to burden themselves with learning about First Nations. A white liberal can add the word to their vocabulary and pat themselves on the back without learning anything about a given person's actual nationality.
Well I don't think it's totally useless, as it can be helpful in knowing who one is not looking for.
Ignatius A
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Like a man or a woman?
That would certainly narrow it down, wouldn't it?
And when when describing someone that is been sought, the descriptor is typically male or female, not man or woman.
Ignatius A
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Right because they are the same thing.
If you want to debate sex vs. gender, please take it to another thread. I'll thank you to not derail this one.
Ignatius A
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I have no desire to discuss it here, I merely mentioned as an example of people using words to mean whatever they want them to mean. Effective communication is being eradicated for wokeness.
Why does the term disturb you?
In my view, the term white makes sense because I live in a country where skin tone has (wrongly) been used to determine social value for hundreds of years. The 'white' social construct exists.
Maybe it is time to reconstruct the construct?
I'm not a huge fan of it, either. It is sometimes used to lump people together and assume they come from a common background or culture.
I'm really not a huge fan of labels for skin color. Known ethnicity(such as telling where your ancestry lies) is different, but skin tone can be misleading.
Truthseeker
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It depends on the person, Kevin Locke, a Lakota, didn't mind the word indigenous at all. Sadly he died on September 30, 2022. His Lakota name was Tȟokéya Inážiŋ. I pasted that from his Wikipedia article. He was best-known for his hoop dance, The Hoop of Life. I saw him do this in person earlier in my life More recently I communicated with this great man through Facebook and the Wilmette Institute in the course Indigenous Perspective of the Sacred. That where he posted he prefered the word indigenous as an umbrella term.
His mother, Patricia Locke, was an activist for Indian rights and recognition. Don't blame me, that's what I pasted from the Wikipedia. I'm referring to the word Indian.
By the way, they were both Baha'is and were on the National Spiritual Assembly at one time. 2 of about 6 indigenous Americans who have been on the NSA.
I agree with him.
I think Indigenous is the most respectful umbrella term, the issue lies where people refuse to go below that umbrella.
