Photogallery: Lebanon now

[Ezzedean]

were they ::seriously:: expecting differently? in all honesty?

I know what you mean Gracie.... but yes, they did expect the response to be a little different than what they received... along with the rest of the world who seemed to agree that Israels attacks were too much. Israel and Hezballah have exchanged prisoners many times, what made this time so much different? Nesrulla explained in his most recent speech that if he knew Israel was gonna respond the way they did, he would have never kidnapped the soldiers. Now that's a pretty obvious statement, and we can't go believing in everything our leaders say, but in this case I believe that Hezballah didn't expect to start such a violent, and damagine war due to those two soldiers... Hezballah is paying famillies who lost their homes within lebanon 15 thousand dollars american to start rebuilding. Hezballah is paying for this right now, why would they have wanted this?

Peace and Blessings

 

[Ezzedean]

They did remove Israel Gracie... after 18 years of occupation Hezballah kicked Israel out of Lebanon in 2000. It was in 2006 when the fighting started again, 6 years later. Now you ask why? I will tell you why. My parents were in Lebanon for a month and got back home one week before the attacks started. When they came home one of the interesting things they told me was that everyday, once a day, Israeli military planes would fly over Lebanon and scope it out. This was a daily activity Buttercup, a daily activity which is not aloud to be done. If another countries military planes were to fly over the U.S on a daily basis, those planes wouldn't be making it back home. Anyway, Israel has thousands of Lebanese prisoners.. this is a fact. So Hezballah captured those soldiers in hopes to negotiate them for the Lebanese prisoners back, but instead what they received was a barrage of attacks on Lebanese land. So rightfully so, Hezballah faught back... what else were they supposed to do?

I know you might not believe me when I say this, but I'm being dead honest with you. I wish it would all just stop. I wish it never happened, and I wish it never happens again... but growing up my whole life hearing about these things I've come to understand that it's gonna take a lot for this problem in the middle east to come to an end.... can anybody say the second coming?

Peace and Blessings Gracie (I honestly mean that)

I have to apologize Gracie... for some reason I was writing the above response to Buttercup, and didn't realize it was for you... as you can see though I've edited the response and given you the peace and blessings.... not that Buttercup doesn't deserve peace and blessings because she does, but the above response was directed towards gracie. Sorry about that.

 

[c0da]

However, Israel did not vacate the whole of southern Lebanon. In the eyes of Hezbollah, and in the eyes of a majority of Lebanon's citizens, the Sheeba Farms belong to them - not Syria. Israel still maintains the occupation of this region even today.

Just because some people from one nation see something, that does not make it true. The UN recognise it as Syrian territory - If Syria want that territory back then they must take that matter up with the UN and the Israeli govt.

You have to be very careful about these things, Ezzedean. Now, I understand that Hezbollah is much more than just a terrorist group. Its social wing, boy scouts clubs and so on, is much larger than its militant wing and it provides to the Lebanese people to a degree both the Lebanese government and the international community are unable or unwilling to match or surpass.

Although, from what I've seen, you might as well call the youth scouts part of the military wing.

I also understand that their attack was against a legitimate, military target. I surely understand Israel's dismal record, you're more likely to die as a civilian at the hands of the Israeli Army than at the hands of Hezbollah - which is shameful.

Residential areas in Haifa are legitimate military targets?

 

[c0da]

Do you believe that Hezballah was just fighting Israel out of pure hatred?

Yes. Read some of the things Nasrallah has said about Israel and the Jews. Then ask the question, why did Hezballah attack Argentinian Jews in 1994? Hezballah is not doing what it does to protect Lebanon - If it is trying to protect the Lebonese people, then why does it hide themselves and their weapons amongst the Lebonese!

 

[Djamila]

coDa - Why should the Lebanese need to accept the views of the United Nations when Israel doesn't? I believe, even with the situation in Iran escalating, that Israel is still - by far - the country with the most UN resolution non-compliance and even violation citations.

As for the residential districts of Haifa, of course they're not a legitimate target. But that arguement therefore implies that Hezbollah and Israel are equally reprehensible. Your arguement doesn't result in Israel getting off free, it results in Israel being just as bad as a recognized terrorist organization. So using that logic to defend IDF policies is weak at best.

 

[Ody]

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50

 

[Djamila]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5212870.stm

We can do this all day.

 

[kai]

First by spending as much effort into it as they put into fighting.
secondly acting in a way over a sufficient period of time to gain the trust of their opponents.
That when they say they will do something thy will hold by it... not till just the next election.
At the moment no one believes Israel wants peace on any terms, other than by complete military domination of the area.

Peace is a process... That process has not yet started.
When the Palestinians and others, see that Israel is sincere the process could start.

Israel has made offers in the past, but they were not believed nor trusted.

oh thats why the offers were not taken up!

 

[kai]

my bad... I didn't know that was what you were talking about.

I appreciate Hezballah a lot for what they've done for Lebanone... you might think they've destroyed the country, but they've protected it... they got the Israelis out in 2000, and although they've come back in again in 2006, they're gonna be taken out again.. as we speak Israel is blocking Lebanon in the land, sea and air, and all the world is telling them to stop ACCEPT good ol Bush and his home boys...

Hezballah
Translation = Party of God.

I believe that God is on their side since the "power house" Israel can't even stop them with all their military power.... they haven't and never will..

Peace and Blessings

well theres the crux of the matter, dont you think Israelis beleive they have god on their side , a little less god and more humanity is needed in the middle east.

 

[kai]

I know what you mean Gracie.... but yes, they did expect the response to be a little different than what they received... along with the rest of the world who seemed to agree that Israels attacks were too much. Israel and Hezballah have exchanged prisoners many times, what made this time so much different? Nesrulla explained in his most recent speech that if he knew Israel was gonna respond the way they did, he would have never kidnapped the soldiers. Now that's a pretty obvious statement, and we can't go believing in everything our leaders say, but in this case I believe that Hezballah didn't expect to start such a violent, and damagine war due to those two soldiers... Hezballah is paying famillies who lost their homes within lebanon 15 thousand dollars american to start rebuilding. Hezballah is paying for this right now, why would they have wanted this?

Peace and Blessings

well the war would have ended much sooner if they didnt keep firing rockets into israel the rescue of the soldiers then became a task to destroy as many rocket launchers as they could, they have a lot of money Hezbollah build some hospitals dont buy anymore rocket launchers

 

[Ezzedean]

well the war would have ended much sooner if they didnt keep firing rockets into israel the rescue of the soldiers then became a task to destroy as many rocket launchers as they could, they have a lot of money Hezbollah build some hospitals dont buy anymore rocket launchers

It was up to Israel for the war to stop. Hezballah was willing to stop as long as Israel ceased fire immediately, Israel didn't want to do that... so obviously Heballah would continue to fire. Why was Israel aloud to launch rockets but not hezballah? You make it seem like Israel was just sitting there doing nothing while hezballah launched rockets at them all day.

 

[kai]

It was up to Israel for the war to stop. Hezballah was willing to stop as long as Israel ceased fire immediately, Israel didn't want to do that... so obviously Heballah would continue to fire. Why was Israel aloud to lunch rockets but not hezballah? You make it seem like Israel was just sitting there doing nothing while hezballah launched rockets at them all day.

and you make it sound like Hezbollah was sitting there doing nothing while Israel was firing all these rockets . Ezzadean cant you see that Hezbollah brought the Israelis to Lebenon like the PLO before them when did Israel invade lebenon to attack the lebenese? its people like Hezbollah that use Lebenon to attack Israel that brings Israel ,do you see it in Jordan or Egypt come on wake up

 

[Ezzedean]

and you make it sound like Hezbollah was sitting there doing nothing while Israel was firing all these rockets . Ezzadean cant you see that Hezbollah brought the Israelis to Lebenon like the PLO before them when did Israel invade lebenon to attack the lebenese? its people like Hezbollah that use Lebenon to attack Israel that brings Israel ,do you see it in Jordan or Egypt come on wake up

I see what you're saying... but why is it when the Hezballah showed up the lebanese people are happy to have them there? (dont tell me they weren't, because I know for a fact.... they were) Israel isn't all innocent here. When Hezballah formed in 86 I believe, Israel was already occupying Lebanon.... why was Israel occupying Lebanon at that time? Hezballah came to help Lebanon, and they did so when Israel scurried out in 2000.... and all the sunni lebanese and menonites came back from columbia and other countries jumping for joy to have "their" country back... when in reality they did nothing to get it back, it was Hezballah and the poor (shiats) who faught for the country while the rich fled. (I am a sunni btw). Why did the rich flee? Because Israel was occupying them and nothing good was coming out of Lebanon. Why did they come back? Because Hezballah rebuilt it. Who do we thank for that? Hezallah or Israel? Am I completely blind? Or are we dealing with a really messed up situation?

 

[c0da]

As for the residential districts of Haifa, of course they're not a legitimate target. But that arguement therefore implies that Hezbollah and Israel are equally reprehensible. Your arguement doesn't result in Israel getting off free, it results in Israel being just as bad as a recognized terrorist organization. So using that logic to defend IDF policies is weak at best.

Hezballah military positions are within Lebanese residential areas, IDF military positions are not.

 

[Djamila]

If that lets you dismiss it, coDa... I'm sad.

 

[ayani]

I know what you mean Gracie.... but yes, they did expect the response to be a little different than what they received... along with the rest of the world who seemed to agree that Israels attacks were too much. Israel and Hezballah have exchanged prisoners many times, what made this time so much different?

what made it different was that it was a kidnapping and ransom. yes, i agree that Israel's attacks (then and now) have been over-blown, thoughtless, and brutish shows of power directed at those who have nothing to do with the conflict at hand. Hezbollah knew that, as does everyone who lives around or within Israel- they knew what Israel was capable of, and i think we can say that they were betting on a huge retaliation.

yes, we can blame the Israeli military, and i think we need to objectively, and hold them accountable. we also need to realize that Hezbollah is not innocent of pre-meditation. look at their place now- Lebanon loves them. they got to shoot some Israelis and come out looking really cool and anti-Zionist, etc. at the expense of 1,600 dead civillians and i-don't-know-how-many dollars worth of damage to the country they claim to be protecting.

play with fire, get thousands of people killed and displaced, bring the wrath of Israel on your country men, come out smelling like a rose. it doesn't make sense.

 

[c0da]

If that lets you dismiss it, coDa... I'm sad.

I'm not dismissing anything. I just think that if you believe the deliberate targeting of Israeli civillians by Hezballah is the same as the tragic death of Lebanese civilians, because their supposed resistance movement is hiding amongst them, then that truly is the sad thing.

 

[kai]

I see what you're saying... but why is it when the Hezballah showed up the lebanese people are happy to have them there? (dont tell me they weren't, because I know for a fact.... they were) Israel isn't all innocent here. When Hezballah formed in 86 I believe, Israel was already occupying Lebanon.... why was Israel occupying Lebanon at that time? Hezballah came to help Lebanon, and they did so when Israel scurried out in 2000.... and all the sunni lebanese and menonites came back from columbia and other countries jumping for joy to have "their" country back... when in reality they did nothing to get it back, it was Hezballah and the poor (shiats) who faught for the country while the rich fled. (I am a sunni btw). Why did the rich flee? Because Israel was occupying them and nothing good was coming out of Lebanon. Why did they come back? Because Hezballah rebuilt it. Who do we thank for that? Hezallah or Israel? Am I completely blind? Or are we dealing with a really messed up situation?

no Israel is not innocent here thats right, hezbollah was formed with the help of the Iranian revolutionary guard to fight the Israelis when they were occupying Lebanon, why were they occupying ?because the PLO took over most of southern Lebanon and were carrying out attacks on Israel, does this sound familiar because its history repeating itself, only last time Israel did not stop and went all the way to Beirut.

 

[Djamila]

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[ayani]

i know, Djamila. it's grotesque, and tragic. Lebanon is a beautiful country. a beacon of inter-religious possibility and home to many of the seeds of Christianity. and it's given the world so many good, lasting treasures. we all have a responsibility for helping and praying for the people affected by this war.