The Ninth Amendment:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Embryos and fetuses are not persons. 
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Planned Parenthood takes its show on the road
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Clizby Wampuscat
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Just like the right to own a gun. You have to have the money to buy a gun. Like I said, many organizations and companies are stepping up to pay travel costs etc.
But a SCOTUS justice can generate a hundred pagesThe Ninth Amendment:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.Embryos and fetuses are not persons.
of dense arcane legal rationalization to claim otherwise.
A constitutional right doesn't guarantee that
everyone will be personally able to exercise it.
That's an empty, quasi-mystical, unempirical term that people conveniently define.
Embryos and fetuses are persons, and specifically human persons.
Do you see any significant differences
between a person (ie, one born) & an
embryo or fetus?
Significant difference in the stage of development exists between persons born and unborn, of course.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
The following is simply meant to be amusing.
How about setting up a "route" that the "abortion wagon" would follow, with predetermined stops. Patients could wait at the stops and be picked up, after which the wagon would speed on to the next stop. Abortions would be performed en route, and the patients dropped off at a stop of their choice when their treatment was complete. Wouldn't that foil the protesters?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Except it's worse than that and not really like that at all. If you don't have the means to travel to a different state to have an abortion, now you're stuck having to find the means to carry a pregnancy to term, pay for the healthcare that comes with that, and raise a child. If you don't have the means to leave the state, I'm gonna go ahead and assume you don't have the means to pay for whatever healthcare is involved and then support a child. And that's assuming nothing goes wrong with your pregnancy.
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Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Is it easy for the poor to get a gun that is their right?
Yes, but only on the state level. Each state should be able to make laws regarding abortion. I do not advocate any national law banning abortion.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
So, to be clear, you would NOT consider either an increase in gun control or certain states choosing to ban guns to be a reduction or removal of the right to own a gun?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
How is this relevant to my analogy.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Be interesting to see how someone can go to another state without moving. Teleport maybe?
Added: Sorry Christine, hadn't got to your response.
There are more than physical differences.
How about mental, functional, & perception by society?
Because your country is so turned around that they value the right to a gun more than the right to health care, or water.
Don't talk to me about pro life.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Sick. Hired killers on wheels.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
It is not a right under the US constitution. The UN does not run our country for now.
Clean water is not a right but it is the law. All cities must provide clean water. Allowing abortions is not the law in all states.
Pro abortion laws directly lead to over 800,000 deaths a year.
It is directly analogous. The Nazis would have to take the Jews to other countries to kill them because they would be protected in Germany. People now in the US may have to travel to kill unborn humans.
Stating I am for protecting unborn human life is virtue signaling? Is stating I am against murder virtue signaling?
That is not why I want to reduce abortions and you know it. Please be honest.
Why would it? No public funds are involved.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
The US abides by UN law, and helped draft the laws of the UN and agreed to abide by them.
Because the supreme court made it so. They reduced the right by taking away federal protections.
I already told you not to virtue signal. Please stop pretending that you care about the unborn.
You seem to have forgotten what the original analogy is about. Also, Jews were killed in Germany constantly.
Yes. Because I don't believe you.
Since abortion isn't murder, this is not a similar claim. I simply don't believe people when they pretend that they are against abortion because they care about foetuses. I simply don't believe you do.
I am. I honestly believe the only reason people oppose legal access to abortions is because they want to harm women and make the world worse, because those two things are literally the only things restricting abortion achieves.
Those are developmental differences.
Society's proposed faulty ability to perceive that there are no essential differences between the developmental stages of humans such that some deserve rights and others do not is tautologically based in development as well.