Please Explain: "Gay Christian"

[firedragon]

Wow.

I'm neither gay nor a "Christian", and that's just a senseless remark.

Allow me to offer then..you are no Muslim. Just an advocate of chaos.

Now?

Gonna prove that you are a Muslim, or just leave it all alone as you likely should?

"Hope you understand"....

I dont understand and I dont have to because I dont think there is anything in this.

You did not understand what I said. From a Christians point of view the God they worship now was the God who created the universe. So nothing can predate him. Thus when you anything predates Christianity that statement doesnt hold any weight.

For a Muslim or an Atheist that statement pretty valid. Not to a Christian. Hope you understand the statement.

 

[firedragon]

Projecting your religious beliefs doesn't make them true.

Sex predates marriage.

Marriage predates christianity AND your religious beliefs.

Hope you understand.

When you say your beliefs you mean Islam right? Okay, think of it this way, how did marriage and sex predate peace & being submissive?

 

[s2a]

I dont understand and I dont have to because I dont think there is anything in this.

You did not understand what I said. From a Christians point of view the God they worship now was the God who created the universe. So nothing can predate him. Thus when you anything predates Christianity that statement doesnt hold any weight.

For a Muslim or an Atheist that statement pretty valid. Not to a Christian. Hope you understand the statement.

Um, no.

I understand your statement, it just makes no sense to me. I'm confident that others may make some sense of it all. I'll refrain from further commentary upon your behalf...

And, so be it.

 

[columbus]

I said it was a choice whether to repent and accept Jesus as Lord. Only he can deliver from sin and give a person the power to overcome their sin
You cant change through your own efforts.

This just isn't true. I am not able to believe that, based on considerable experience and education. Your post implies one of the traditional teachings that I find unbelievable.

I cannot believe that Jesus Christ would judge me based on which human I found most credible about things nobody has any real evidence concerning. I find Richard Dawkins more believable than you and people like you. Not because I think he knows, but because what he says matches my own experience better. Honestly I can't even believe that God would make an eternal determination based on our few years here under the circumstances we are.

I am simply not free to believe what you are claiming to be true.

I know its true not just because Jesus said so but because I know former homosexuals in my church who are delivered and living happy heterosexual married lives some for twenty and thirty years

I don't know your friends, so I can't say. There is little that's impossible when it comes to human behavior concerning sex and love. But from my experience I can think of many more plausible scenarios that might look like this to you. So, honestly, I don't believe this either.

Tom

 

[allright]

This just isn't true. I am not able to believe that, based on considerable experience and education. Your post implies one of the traditional teachings that I find unbelievable.

I cannot believe that Jesus Christ would judge me based on which human I found most credible about things nobody has any real evidence concerning. I find Richard Dawkins more believable than you and people like you. Not because I think he knows, but because what he says matches my own experience better. Honestly I can't even believe that God would make an eternal determination based on our few years here under the circumstances we are.

I am simply not free to believe what you are claiming to be true.


I don't know your friends, so I can't say. There is little that's impossible when it comes to human behavior concerning sex and love. But from my experience I can think of many more plausible scenarios that might look like this to you. So, honestly, I don't believe this either.

Tom

If you havent accepted Jesus as your Lord and been born again your cant know whether hes real or not.
Sounds like you had a bad experience in the church you were raised in.
Youll never figure it out in your mind

 

[Thruve]

If you havent accepted Jesus as your Lord and been born again your cant know whether hes real or not.
Sounds like you had a bad experience in the church you were raised in.
Youll never figure it out in your mind

Whats to know?
He Willingly took a cross for our sins, yet radical Christians damn homosexuals for their sins. Little do the radicalists know that the SIN ISSUE has already been taken care of, so to condemn others, especially homosexuals, is just asinine.
So clearly, most CHRISTIANS don't even know Jesus.. the same ones condemning people. It is such.. a dam easy concept to understand, accepting him is that simple, yet half of the christian doctrines teach stupidity like tithing and legalism.

Whether by gods will or not, I find many atheists don't have a constant internal battle over desire like some Christians do. I've met so many atheists that are good people.. turned off about god because of history and random events within their life, yet unknowingly live ideal christian lives and yet still call themselves atheists. Note* they are arrogant though >.<. Whether they willingly accept Jesus in this life or not doesn't matter, whether the process of Jesus changing their lives with/without their consent/knowledge should be the concern. Im pretty sure God understands the hate people have against him, especially to the extent where they just simply don't believe in him, but a GOD I KNOW to be love, loves them nonetheless, whether they accept Jesus or not imo.

Christians need to get off this do this or go to hell bs, its seriously edging me to madness. Focus on love, Focus on life, and live it. Just live and stop worrying about the salvation of others, its not in your hands. Christians are the problem, not Jesus, Not God.

 

[averageJOE]

When you say your beliefs you mean Islam right? Okay, think of it this way, how did marriage and sex predate peace & being submissive?

Are you about to go into some kind of long winded speech on how "peace & being submissive" did not exist until Islam came along?

 

[columbus]

If you havent accepted Jesus as your Lord and been born again your cant know whether hes real or not.

You've got it backwards. I did believe. Then I found out how real He is.

Which is "not very". I believe Jesus existed. But not as described in traditional Christian theology. People made that up, and it shows in the contradictions.

Sounds like you had a bad experience in the church you were raised in.

Oh no, I grew up in a great big family church. It was great. I'm still very fond of the RCC.

Youll never figure it out in your mind

God gave it to me to use. If God wants me to believe what some human tells me He would tell me that.

Tom

 

[firedragon]

Are you about to go into some kind of long winded speech on how "peace & being submissive" did not exist until Islam came along?

Nope. Thats idiocy.

Anyway I cant see you analysing what anyone says. You simply retort.

 

[ChristineES]

I am not sure I am understanding things here. I am a very strong Christian. I believe that there can be gay Christians. Even if I were to believe that sodomy was a total sin, I would still say that there can be gay Christians. Homosexuality is something a person is born with. If there was a gay Christian and that person did believe that sodomy was a sin, then that person would decide to not have sex. I've known a few people like that: They are gay and they live celibate lives, whether you and I agree or disagree with their decision, it was that person's decision to make, no one else's.

I never will state how I feel about it, one way or another. I know that whichever I say: 1. That it is a sin, 2. That it is not a sin, will not be accepted by too many people. I don't want to put myself in that position. Maybe I'm a coward, but that's my decision on the whole thing. The reason is this: 1. I am not gay, 2. I wouldn't have any idea what it means or feels to be gay, therefore it is really none of my business.

 

[firedragon]

I am not sure I am understanding things here. I am a very strong Christian. I believe that there can be gay Christians. Even if I were to believe that sodomy was a total sin, I would still say that there can be gay Christians. Homosexuality is something a person is born with. If there was a gay Christian and that person did believe that sodomy was a sin, then that person would decide to not have sex. I've known a few people like that: They are gay and they live celibate lives, whether you and I agree or disagree with their decision, it was that person's decision to make, no one else's.

I never will state how I feel about it, one way or another. I know that whichever I say: 1. That it is a sin, 2. That it is not a sin, will not be accepted by too many people. I don't want to put myself in that position. Maybe I'm a coward, but that's my decision on the whole thing. The reason is this: 1. I am not gay, 2. I wouldn't have any idea what it means or feels to be gay, therefore it is really none of my business.

Hmmm. I think you are absolutely right.

 

[allright]

Whats to know?
He Willingly took a cross for our sins, yet radical Christians damn homosexuals for their sins. Little do the radicalists know that the SIN ISSUE has already been taken care of, so to condemn others, especially homosexuals, is just asinine.
So clearly, most CHRISTIANS don't even know Jesus.. the same ones condemning people. It is such.. a dam easy concept to understand, accepting him is that simple, yet half of the christian doctrines teach stupidity like tithing and legalism.

Whether by gods will or not, I find many atheists don't have a constant internal battle over desire like some Christians do. I've met so many atheists that are good people.. turned off about god because of history and random events within their life, yet unknowingly live ideal christian lives and yet still call themselves atheists. Note* they are arrogant though >.<. Whether they willingly accept Jesus in this life or not doesn't matter, whether the process of Jesus changing their lives with/without their consent/knowledge should be the concern. Im pretty sure God understands the hate people have against him, especially to the extent where they just simply don't believe in him, but a GOD I KNOW to be love, loves them nonetheless, whether they accept Jesus or not imo.

Christians need to get off this do this or go to hell bs, its seriously edging me to madness. Focus on love, Focus on life, and live it. Just live and stop worrying about the salvation of others, its not in your hands. Christians are the problem, not Jesus, Not God.

I just love it when non Christians try to teach me the Gospel,. Jesus did die for all peoples sins. But unless you repent of your sins and accept him as Lord your still going straight to hell. Its ever ones choice
There's a reason he said only a few people were going to be saved

 

[averageJOE]

Nope. Thats idiocy.

Anyway I cant see you analysing what anyone says. You simply retort.

I guess you can see how marriage then predates religion. And sex was around much longer than marriage.

 

[firedragon]

I guess you can see how marriage then predates religion. And sex was around much longer than marriage.

No. I truly cant.

 

[sojourner]

I just love it when non Christians try to teach me the Gospel,. Jesus did die for all peoples sins. But unless you repent of your sins and accept him as Lord your still going straight to hell. Its ever ones choice
There's a reason he said only a few people were going to be saved

It's narrowness of vision like this that has caused the majority of people to reject Jesus' message of all-inclusive, all-encompassing love and acceptance.

 

[Thruve]

I just love it when non Christians try to teach me the Gospel,. Jesus did die for all peoples sins. But unless you repent of your sins and accept him as Lord your still going straight to hell. Its ever ones choice
There's a reason he said only a few people were going to be saved

I am Christian, I was raised Christian, therefore its the grounds to which I stand.

 

[allright]

Excuse you I am christian, and I was raised Christian. However I like to think outside of the Box =)

You say "it doesn't matter whether one accept Jesus in this life" and your a Christian.

Your make believe Jesus dose not exist

"Unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God and he cannot enter it." John 3

 

[allright]

Why would sin lead people to hell if Jesus died for them, respectively...? See this is what Im fcking talking about.
Sin is permissible but not profitable. I don't willingly sin because I understand the harm it does, and the negative side effects it can instill on others, and why On earth would I dishonor a man who willingly gave up his life to ensure I too can be free from drowning with regret, etc.

Jesus death on the cross made a way for our sins to be forgiven. That was God love.

To receive that forgiveness we must repent of our sins and accept Jesus as our Lord and continue living a repentant life by faith in him.

Those who chose to continue in sin are lost by their own free choice

 

[Mycroft]

You use the f word while saying your a Christian

You sound like someone who is sincere, but deceived.

I hope you will find a real Christian Church or Christian who can explain it to you

Using an F word doesn't make one not a christian.

 

[ChristineES]

Using an F word doesn't make one not a christian.

I actually agree with you on this one. The "F" word means nothing. I am not saying we should use expletives as Christians, but I would be more worried using "G**Dam*" than the "F-word".