Please Explain: "Gay Christian"

[Thruve]

Jesus death on the cross made a way for our sins to be forgiven. That was God love.

To receive that forgiveness we must repent of our sins and accept Jesus as our Lord and continue living a repentant life by faith in him.

Those who chose to continue in sin are lost by their own free choice

Like yourself. If you say that You don't sin, your a hypocrite and know that Apparently, there's a special place in Hell for hypocrites. If you didn't hold fast, I think your concern over others would be with a different approach. I didn't realize heaven was earned in your eyes either, and I assure you it isn't. Christians also make it sound like that also, which I entirely disagree with. I beg of thee to go to a different church, and learn to not focus on not sinning, to not have to repent for something already forgiven, and instead realize what you do you are accountable for, especially without grace. I don't sin out of habit, I find I sin when Im desperate, or when I lose control of my life and stop looking up ^ But somehow God manages to steer me back around. So now, I've come to the realization that when I sin, that I may not be covered by grace and end up in a TOTALLY fcked up situation that I caused myself and therefore can't blame god. Thats when Id ask for forgiveness. I try not to sin to also strengthen my Faith, knowing one day I may be strong enough to turn away from all temptation so that I can willingly choose if a fruit is worth eating. Majority of the time, though its sweet =), it was hella bitter and leaves a bitter aftertase that im assuming sticks with us until death do we part -.-

 

[ChristineES]

With all due respect, Christians aren't supposed to condemn others, either.

 

[Mycroft]

I actually agree with you on this one. The "F" word means nothing. I am not saying we should use expletives as Christians, but I would be more worried using "G**Dam*" than the "F-word".

I often think if jesus was real and did return, he'd swear. Why? Because he'd want to speak to some kinds of people on their own level and sometimes to do that swearing is necessary. There's nothing bad about swearing. In fact there's no such thing as a swear word.

 

[ChristineES]

I often think if jesus was real and did return, he'd swear. Why? Because he'd want to speak to some kinds of people on their own level and sometimes to do that swearing is necessary. There's nothing bad about swearing. In fact there's no such thing as a swear word.

I am more worried about racial expletives and other words which the sole purpose of is to disparage people than I ever did of any cuss words, like f---, sh--, etc.

 

[Ingledsva]

I just love it when non Christians try to teach me the Gospel,. Jesus did die for all peoples sins. But unless you repent of your sins and accept him as Lord your still going straight to hell. Its ever ones choice
There's a reason he said only a few people were going to be saved

It is this kind of talk from Christians, that lets me know the NT and its God are not real.


And there is no "Hell" in the Bible. "Sheol", "Tartarus," "Hades", and "Gehenna" have been replaced with the word "Hell," which is not the same thing.


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[Thruve]

It is this kind of talk from Christians, that lets me know the NT and its God are not real.


And there is no "Hell" in the Bible. "Sheol", "Tartarus," "Hades", and "Gehenna" have been replaced with the word "Hell," which is not the same thing.


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If thats your basis on why anything of the sorts are not real, then thats pretty.. embarrassing. You, of all people, should know that in each religion there are individuals who take things literally and dramatize them. Im sure You know thats not the detrimental factor of going to hell, be it there a place, given your knowledge of the real world and the evil within. Though I am christian, I know theres more to the story, so even I wouldn't settle for that verse litterally-.-

Find a better reason to determine it not to be real, especially knowing most often things are metaphorical or use symbolization, if not just stories or simply verses to instill fear. Do it for your own sake, respectively, so you know that it wasn't just the words that turn you away from something you may actually find more real than you imagined.

Im rather fond of Islam, I adhere to some of its teachings but look past those to which ( in my opinion ) I determine to be falsely written, stated, or not the whole story. I didn't let those turn me away, xP
Just.. stay away from Muslims during these last few days of Rhamadan cause they are so cranky around mid afternoon at my job O-O

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It is this kind of talk from Christians, that lets me know the NT and its God are not real.

Yeah, because certainly all 2 billion of the world's Christians share his views.

 

[Ingledsva]

It is this kind of talk from Christians, that lets me know the NT and its God are not real.

Yeah, because certainly all 2 billion of the world's Christians share his views.

As I have said before - to each his own.


These kinds of statements tell "ME" that this religion is not correct.


I can not believe in a God, that would torture good people, because they were born in a Buddhist, or other country.

Same goes for a God that murders the innocent for the crimes of others.


These things tell "ME" that YHVH is not actually God.




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[Thruve]

As I have said before - to each his own.


These kinds of statements tell "ME" that this religion is not correct.


I can not believe in a God, that would torture good people, because they were born in a Buddhist, or other country.

Same goes for a God that murders the innocent for the crimes of others.


These things tell "ME" that YHVH is not actually God.




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Funny, with me being a christian, I too was a dweller on that for some time many years ago. So I asked myself if 'God' is truly love, then someone fcked up somewhere either by writing something, or teaching something. But I hear you on that ^

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

As I have said before - to each his own.


These kinds of statements tell "ME" that this religion is not correct.


I can not believe in a God, that would torture good people, because they were born in a Buddhist, or other country.

Same goes for a God that murders the innocent for the crimes of others.


These things tell "ME" that YHVH is not actually God.

Catholicism doesn't teach that view of hell, at least not anymore.

 

[Ingledsva]

Catholicism doesn't teach that view of hell, at least not anymore.

Good to hear - as it sure did when I was in it.


The teaching actually; the Priest was way ahead of his time on that one. He was very interesting to talk to. He must have thought I was a rather strange child - I asked him everything about the church, including, didn't he want to marry? And why can't priests marry? LOL!


PS. My grandmother had a pair of those Bleeding Heart pictures on her wall.


I have a couple of Russian Orthodox, Mary and Jesus Icon paintings, that I brought back from Russia. I love the gold and silver filigree work on them.


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[Saint Frankenstein]

Good to hear - as it sure did when I was in it.

I don't know how old you are (and I'm not asking ), but the Church hasn't officially taught that non-Catholics or non-Christians in general go to hell since about Vatican II. We take a more nuanced view of it. Basically, if a person wasn't a Christian, we think that God will judge them based on what they knew and how hard they tried to live a righteous life with the information they had. So basically, we just can't say if a person is damned or not. But a person is certainly not automatically damned just for being a non-Christian. God is a lot bigger and a lot more merciful than that.

Also, we don't view hell as a burning oven where sinners are tortured like in the Middle Ages. Hell is truly "just" separation from God, a state of being that you come into through conscious choice. It is the willful rejection of all that is good and holy since God Himself is the Source of all that is good and holy. The torment of it comes naturally from being separated from all that is good.

In another thread, I illustrate the fiery torment of hell this way: God's love is as a radiate fire. To the Saints in Heaven, it is passionate, all-consuming and enlivening. It's like the ultimate in head over heels love x infinity. But to those experiencing hell, it's torment. It's love inverted, because their hearts are closed to it.

Also, I've read before that St. Michael visits the souls of the dying and gives them a chance to repent before he takes them off to judgment. I quite like that view.

The teaching actually; the Priest was way ahead of his time on that one. He was very interesting to talk to. He must have thought I was a rather strange child - I asked him everything about the church, including, didn't he want to marry? And why can't priests marry? LOL!

Hahaha. That's cool. There was a priest who was a good friend of my mom and I during a very rough time and I asked him a lot of questions. He was the one who told me that Job wasn't a real man. That relieved me. Lol.

PS. My grandmother had a pair of those Bleeding Heart pictures on her wall.

The Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary. They're probably my favorite devotional images.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's narrowness of vision like this that has caused the majority of people to reject Jesus' message of all-inclusive, all-encompassing love and acceptance.

Since when did Jesus have a message of all-inclusive, all-encompassing love and acceptance?

 

[idav]

Since when did Jesus have a message of all-inclusive, all-encompassing love and acceptance?

Since he summed up the law as an unconditional type of love. He practiced it too.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Since he summed up the law as an unconditional type of love. He practiced it too.

He did what now? Chapter and verse, please.

 

[sojourner]

Since when did Jesus have a message of all-inclusive, all-encompassing love and acceptance?

Since when didn't he?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Since when didn't he?

Threatening people with fiery torment and saying that he'll refuse to find people in "the Book of Life" doesn't sound like all-inclusive love and acceptance to me. If we take the Lamb of God in Revelation to be Jesus as well, then his message gets even nastier.

But this is beside the point. You claimed that Jesus has this message. What are you basing your claim on?

 

[sojourner]

Threatening people with fiery torment and saying that he'll refuse to find people in "the Book of Life" doesn't sound like all-inclusive love and acceptance to me. If we take the Lamb of God in Revelation to be Jesus as well, then his message gets even nastier.

But this is beside the point. You claimed that Jesus has this message. What are you basing your claim on?

Jesus fulfilled the Law, which can be summed up as perfect love: Love God; love neighbor. further, love your enemy and pray for your persecutor.


Among others.

 

[idav]

He did what now? Chapter and verse, please.

Here are examples of the unconditional type love Jesus professed. Do you mean verses where he practiced it cause I can point to those as well if you need them?

Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven.

Matthew 22
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Jesus fulfilled the Law, which can be summed up as perfect love: Love God; love neighbor. further, love your enemy and pray for your persecutor.


Among others.

I disagree strongly with the idea that "the Law" can be summed up as "perfect love".

There is no love in slavery or in executing rape victims, to name two of the more distasteful parts of the Law.