Please try to disprove anything I believe.

[Augustus]

Is torturing another animal immoral?

It hasn't been for many people for the vast majority of human history, even including humans as other animals.

There aren't any lions in North Africa because the Romans killed so many of them for public entertainment. Spanish bullfighting is even the continuation of this Roman spectacle.

You still haven't explained the mystery of how humans' 'innate morality' managed to remain hidden for the vast majority of their history.

If we have an innate morality, it is in the sense that chimps or dogs have an innate morality, not in any kind of modern tolerant humanistic sense. We can create better moralities but to call them innate is simply a piece of irrational, faith based wishful thinking.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

If you want to claim a scientific theory claims something you need to link me to the peer reviewed scientific articles leading to this.

Also if a scientist simply says something like that without studies to back him up then that is a hypothesis not a theory.

Use google, look these things up. Look up Professor Krauss and his book on the origins of the universe and the "field of energy" and plenty of others. I'm not here to do your work for you. You claim to be an atheist, you should know this better than me.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Can you provide evidence that it is? Because String Theory would disagree with that.

How does string theory disagree with the Big Bang? String theory is just a model of sub-atomic structure as I understand it ( more accurately sub-particle structure ).

 

[allfoak]

Attention!
Until further notice, all beliefs are in error, as well as correct .
The game is rigged.

Personal beliefs cannot be proven wrong or right but by the person who holds them.
In other words, nothing changes until the person changes.
We may only guide another, we can never change them.

I do not see this little exercise as being productive.
Why would i want to take the time to argue with someone who is defiant in their beliefs?

 

[Brickjectivity]

By the way, it has recently been announced that the Ligo group claims to have detected gravity waves generated by two colliding black holes. By 'Recently' I mean it just appeared on the BBC web site today, which means the detection probably happened several months ago. Ironic that I had just mentioned it.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Are you able to define this without using a negative?

As it is every deity that does not fit that trait, no I cannot.

In the 'exclusive' objective universe, a house is simply a geometrically‑coordinated, gravitationally‑braced and weatherproof arrangement of certain kinds of molecules. As various individuals design, decorate, occupy, or view the house, however, it is imbued with characteristics assigned to it by them. It now exists in their several subjective universes, and it may continue to exist there even after the 'objective' house has been demolished.

You have now experienced the idea behind both Objective and Subjective Universes

No because the specific neurological patterns that creates that memory is in the exclusive universe.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Attention!
Until further notice, all beliefs are in error, as well as correct .
The game is rigged.

Personal beliefs cannot be proven wrong or right but by the person who holds them.
In other words, nothing changes until the person changes.
We may only guide another, we can never change them.

I do not see this little exercise as being productive.
Why would i want to take the time to argue with someone who is defiant in their beliefs?

Then why would you post here to be disruptive?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

no material substance?.....no matter?
so much for Albert...

Albert is the one who first proposed matter being a form of energy.

eternal universe?......and the expansion continues at increasing speed....and will dissipate

No, just be worn thin.

and Man has killed his brother.....from the beginning....

see Genesis

I have read Genesis, however there is no evidence to make me believe it.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Use google, look these things up. Look up Professor Krauss and his book on the origins of the universe and the "field of energy" and plenty of others. I'm not here to do your work for you. You claim to be an atheist, you should know this better than me.

Incorrect, you are making the positive claim, therefore you need to provide evidence.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

How does string theory disagree with the Big Bang? String theory is just a model of sub-atomic structure as I understand it ( more accurately sub-particle structure ).

No I am saying string theory disagrees with the view that the big bang is the beginning of the universe.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

By the way, it has recently been announced that the Ligo group claims to have detected gravity waves generated by two colliding black holes. By 'Recently' I mean it just appeared on the BBC web site today, which means the detection probably happened several months ago. Ironic that I had just mentioned it.

How is that relavent?

Also it has been theorized before hand back holes would do as such.

 

[allfoak]

Then why would you post here to be disruptive?

I was not being disruptive.
I am challenging you.

You don't have the courage to face your beliefs.
This thread is about defiance not about exploring your beliefs.
You think you have it all down and nobody can touch you.
That belief in itself will blind you to any opportunity you may have to learn anything more than you already know.

I could take your beliefs and turn them inside out.
What good what it do other than to make you angry?
If that is all i am going to accomplish then i would rather do it this way first and see how serious you really are about having your beliefs challenged.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I was not being disruptive.
I am challenging you.

You don't have the courage to face your beliefs.
This thread is about defiance not about exploring your beliefs.
You think you have it all down and nobody can touch you.
That belief in itself will blind you to any opportunity you may have to learn anything more than you already know.

I could take your beliefs and turn them inside out.
What good what it do other than to make you angry?
If that is all i am going to accomplish then i would rather do it this way first and see how serious you really are about having your beliefs challenged.

This is the typical example of someone throwing around rhetoric and then saying they could do better but they will not.

Either participate in the thread or stop posting here.

 

[allfoak]

This is the typical example of someone throwing around rhetoric and then saying they could do better but they will not.

Either participate in the thread or stop posting here.

I am participating in the thread.
I am challenging the title of the thread.
You don't want your beliefs challenged, you want to make others look bad

I am right and you know it.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I am participating in the thread.
I am challenging the title of the thread.
You don't want your beliefs challenged, you want to make others look bad

I am right and you know it.

Ok let me explain myself to you.

I am a skeptic.

I find the truth through methodic doubt.

I find truth to be better than comfort.

I wish that there was an afterlife.

I wish there was an objective purpose.

I wish certain religions were real.

But the truth is they are not.

I accept things that I do not want to accept every day of my life.

Truth does not bring comfort.

So please do not accuse me of standing firm in me beliefs for the sake of it.

Accepting the truth has drawbacks you may never know.

 

[1137]

No I am saying X^1 or X^2 could be the source of Y.

Therefore Y does not prove X^1.

X^1 = God, X^2 = Psychology, Y= Behavior.

In this example, X1 and X2 are not mutually exclusive. I was more addressing the fact that you come into debates with the mindset that materialism is proven true, that psychology and magic are mutually exclusive, things like that.

 

[1137]

Ok let me explain myself to you.

I am a skeptic.

I find the truth through methodic doubt.

I find truth to be better than comfort.

I wish that there was an afterlife.

I wish there was an objective purpose.

I wish certain religions were real.

But the truth is they are not.

I accept things that I do not want to accept every day of my life.

Truth does not bring comfort.

So please do not accuse me of standing firm in me beliefs for the sake of it.

Accepting the truth has drawbacks you may never know.

I would not consider you a skeptic to be honest, as represent by you claiming things to be true which you are not even capable of proving, such as there being no meaning, no gods, and so on. A skeptic needs to question themselves, accepted theory, and so on. I'm not sure how skepticism became of form of dogmatic materialism/atheism.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

In this example, X1 and X2 are not mutually exclusive. I was more addressing the fact that you come into debates with the mindset that materialism is proven true, that psychology and magic are mutually exclusive, things like that.

The prupose of this debate is to disprove anything I beilive.

So please then try to disprove the philosophy of materialism

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I would not consider you a skeptic to be honest, as represent by you claiming things to be true which you are not even capable of proving, such as there being no meaning, no gods, and so on. A skeptic needs to question themselves, accepted theory, and so on. I'm not sure how skepticism became of form of dogmatic materialism/atheism.

Um I do not claim there are no gods or no meaning.

 

[1137]

Um I do not claim there are no gods or no meaning.

You said:

"I wish there was anobjective purpose.

I wish certain religions were real.

But the truth is they are not."