Political Affiliation Changing in US

[Kenny]

Hop in.

LOL... that is where I put your erroneous statements. Hopped it ALL in.

 

[anna.]

That is real interesting! Thanks.

Reviewing it carefully, not that we will know the answer, how can one have 78% satisfied with their vote but only have 46% a favorable view. Makes my head go tilt.

Easy to see, from my view. They're still happy with their vote for Biden (because the alternative) but aren't necessarily satisfied with how things are going. The pandemic and GOP obstruction have had a lot to do with that, some things I'd like to have seen done better, but others have been stymied, as per Mitch McConnell's plan: "100% of our focus is on stopping this new administration."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So... the Republicans in Iowa are flying confederate flags?

If you want current:

Democrats are shattering Dr. Martin Luther King’s dream

While King wanted unity, Democrats have sought division. While King wanted integration, Democrats now yearn for a return to segregation.

It's the new effort of enslavement again.

That article doesn't cite a single claim. In other words, it's total rubbish.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think that is somewhat biased:

Now that the 2020 figures have been properly tallied, there’s still no convincing evidence that strict lockdowns reduced the death toll from Covid-19. But one effect is clear: more deaths from other causes, especially among the young and middle-aged, minorities, and the less affluent....

... As unemployment surged and mental-health and substance-abuse treatment programs were interrupted, the reported levels of anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts increased dramatically, as did alcohol sales and fatal drug overdoses. The number of people killed last year in motor-vehicle accidents in the United States rose to the highest level in more than a decade, even though Americans did significantly less driving than in 2019. It was the steepest annual increase in the fatality rate per mile traveled in nearly a century, apparently dueto more substance abuse and more high-speed driving on empty roads.

Death and Lockdowns | City Journal

We need a little more compassion IMV

Look abroad. New Zealand locked down and made it through with little illness and death. But America is "oh boo hoo my poor, selfish, entitled *** can't go willy nilly do whatever and people are telling me to think about others! Oh woe is me!"
Like it or not, lockdowns prevented even more death and illness. Weak compliance and doing nothing say America share a very disproportionate number of the global covid cases and deaths, about a fourth of both, despite us being only about 4-5% of the total global population.

 

[Yazata]

Gallup Poll
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U.S. Political Party Preferences Shifted Greatly During 2021

And in the Viriginia election which has been Democrat for years:

Virginia GOP completes sweep of elections with House win

What is the impetus for this change of heart?

Is it COVID lockdowns?
Is it the pushing of CRT in schools?
Is it Biden's handling of wars and Global Politics?
Is it the the shutdown of coal and oil?
Is it the inflation?
Is it the likes of the OAC in the Democratic Party?

Combination?

Combination.

One very important one not mentioned here is the widespread and growing sense that the democratic party has abandoned its historical white middle class base. Today's democrats seem to be all about entertainment and sports celebrities, "gender" militants, government officials, silicon valley "tech" tycoons, the national (new york) news media, a large segment of K-12 and higher education -- basically everyone who thinks that they are better than the average person and somehow qualified to tell those "little people" what to think and how to behave.

Many of the more socially conservative, patriotic and even nationalistic JFK-style democratic voters (they still exist in large numbers, though not among the party leadership any longer) really resent being taken for granted, dismissed as "deplorables" and feel like those currently ascendant in the democratic party are more interested in political symbolism like normalizing transvestites or defunding the police than in problems that normal people like them face every day like inflation, the collapse of American manufacturing and their towns and mainstreets along with it, ever rising crime and creeping erosion of their civil liberties.

What is your view?

What I said above.

Another factor is that the democrats spent all four years of President Trump's administration trying to vilify him personally. They rarely attacked his agenda or his specific positions intelligently or in any detail, because they knew that many of the voters they needed preferred those positions. So they attacked the man. He was a "fascist", he was a "bigot", he was "authoritarian" - no ethical person could support anyone like that, right?

Joe Biden, on the other hand, was a longtime Washington figure, widely perceived as something of a hack. And that blandness played into their hands as he was packaged by the media as a reassuring father figure, a proven moderate who would return America to normalcy.

Except that didn't happen. Biden hasn't proven to be a moderate at all and seemingly exerts little or no control over his party. The democratic party agenda remains to transform every aspect of American life into some utopian vision of moral perfection with history rewritten and all the monuments to a condemned past torn down. We live in an exceedingly moralistic neo-puritan age.

Which leaves many of those socially conservative moderates in search of normalcy who voted for Biden in 2020 up for grabs now.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

US-Americans are generally uneducated and stupid (compared to other industrialised countries) and that trend is now going into a feedback loop. Uneducated teachers are now feeding lies and half truth to the students and uneducated, stupid voters are voting for uneducated and stupid politicians - who in turn lower the standards of education and the standards of public discourse - which makes voters even stupider. Idiocracy was a documentary.

I realize this is a generalization, but as a teacher I don't think this is the case. More like there's a lack of funding and an education system that's slow to change to a pedagogy that's data-driven and not "the way it's always been done."

Also, I don't think Americans are any more stupid than other industrialized nations. Even those who are being stupid I don't think are stupid, just emotional, stubborn, and misinformed.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

One very important one not mentioned here is the widespread and growing sense that the democratic party has abandoned its historical white middle class base. Today's democrats seem to be all about entertainment and sports celebrities, "gender" militants, government officials, silicon valley "tech" tycoons, the national (new york) news media, a large segment of K-12 and higher education -- basically everyone who thinks that they are better than the average person and somehow qualified to tell those "little people" how and what to think.

Is it that or did the white middle class folks reject an ideal that no longer focuses on being "white and middle class" as the standard for humanity?

Many of the more socially conservative, patriotic and even nationalistic JFK-style democratic voters (they still exist in large numbers, though not among the party leadership any longer) really resent being dismissed as "deplorables" and feel like those currently ascendant in the democratic party are more interested in political symbolism like normalizing transvestites or defunding the police than in problems that normal people like them face every day like inflation, the collapse of American manufacturing and their towns and mainstreets, ever rising crime and creeping erosion of their civil liberties all justified in the name of battling covid.

Erosion of civil liberties like being able to dress how you want, having certain skin pigments and cultures subjected to over-policing, and a system that focuses its healthcare on those who can afford it?

Another factor is that the democrats spent all four years of President Trump's administration trying to vilify him personally. They rarely attacked his agenda or his positions intelligently or in any detail, because they knew that many of the voters they needed preferred those positions. So they attacked the man. He was a "fascist", he was a "bigot", he was "authoritarian".

Joe Biden, on the other hand, was a longtime Washington figure, widely perceived as something of a hack. And that played into their hands as he was packaged by the media as a reassuring father figure, a proven moderate who would return America to normalcy.

Except that didn't happen. Biden hasn't proven to be a moderate at all and seemingly exerts little or no control over his party. The democratic party agenda remains to transform every aspect of American life into some utopian vision of moral perfection with history rewritten and all the monuments to a condemned past torn down. We live in an exceedingly moralistic neo-puritan age.

Which leaves many of those socially conservative moderates in search of normalcy who voted for Biden in 2020 up for grabs now.

There was plenty in Trump's agenda and positions to criticize, for me, especially, his cuts to environmental regulations that had clear impacts on the environment.

What's weird is how you characterize the Democratic party as "normalizing transvestites" but are a "neo-puritan" force, as if the opposite side isn't pushing its own idealistic agenda. I just saw a clip of Tucker Carlson complaining about an afterschool Satanist club in a district (I forget where) that has evangelical Christian clubs.

 

[Kenny]

That article doesn't cite a single claim. In other words, it's total rubbish.

I don't think so. It has been proven by what is being said and done.

 

[Kenny]

Look abroad. New Zealand locked down and made it through with little illness and death. But America is "oh boo hoo my poor, selfish, entitled *** can't go willy nilly do whatever and people are telling me to think about others! Oh woe is me!"
Like it or not, lockdowns prevented even more death and illness. Weak compliance and doing nothing say America share a very disproportionate number of the global covid cases and deaths, about a fourth of both, despite us being only about 4-5% of the total global population.

Nearly a third of New Zealanders felt badly distressed in Covid lockdown

and now...

New Zealand Gives Up on Its “Zero COVID” Lockdown Strategy—Leaving China as the Last Holdout | Jon Miltimore

and then, of course,

More New Zealanders Reportedly Died Of COVID Vaccines Than The Infection Itself: Report

 

[Kenny]

Combination.

One very important one not mentioned here is the widespread and growing sense that the democratic party has abandoned its historical white middle class base. Today's democrats seem to be all about entertainment and sports celebrities, "gender" militants, government officials, silicon valley "tech" tycoons, the national (new york) news media, a large segment of K-12 and higher education -- basically everyone who thinks that they are better than the average person and somehow qualified to tell those "little people" what to think and how to behave.

Many of the more socially conservative, patriotic and even nationalistic JFK-style democratic voters (they still exist in large numbers, though not among the party leadership any longer) really resent being taken for granted, dismissed as "deplorables" and feel like those currently ascendant in the democratic party are more interested in political symbolism like normalizing transvestites or defunding the police than in problems that normal people like them face every day like inflation, the collapse of American manufacturing and their towns and mainstreets along with it, ever rising crime and creeping erosion of their civil liberties.



What I said above.

Another factor is that the democrats spent all four years of President Trump's administration trying to vilify him personally. They rarely attacked his agenda or his specific positions intelligently or in any detail, because they knew that many of the voters they needed preferred those positions. So they attacked the man. He was a "fascist", he was a "bigot", he was "authoritarian" - no ethical person could support anyone like that, right?

Joe Biden, on the other hand, was a longtime Washington figure, widely perceived as something of a hack. And that blandness played into their hands as he was packaged by the media as a reassuring father figure, a proven moderate who would return America to normalcy.

Except that didn't happen. Biden hasn't proven to be a moderate at all and seemingly exerts little or no control over his party. The democratic party agenda remains to transform every aspect of American life into some utopian vision of moral perfection with history rewritten and all the monuments to a condemned past torn down. We live in an exceedingly moralistic neo-puritan age.

Which leaves many of those socially conservative moderates in search of normalcy who voted for Biden in 2020 up for grabs now.

This was actually well thought out and well presented.

Thank you.

 

[Revoltingest]

More New Zealanders Reportedly Died Of COVID Vaccines Than The Infection Itself: Report

The headline doesn't match what's in the article.
(Underlining added.)

"SHOCKING: New Zealand reported 27 total deaths
'with' COVID-19 & 40 deaths possibly related to the
Pfizer vaccine since 2020."

And.....

"Meanwhile, the New Zealand Herald reported in July that by June 30, there were 451 new adverse events reported following inoculation with the COVID vaccine, with 23 being labeled as serious. Among the 23 serious cases, two were deaths."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't think so. It has been proven by what is being said and done.

No, it's a bunch of words with nothing to back it up or support the claims.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The headline doesn't match what's in the article.
(Underlining added.)

"SHOCKING: New Zealand reported 27 total deaths
'with' COVID-19 & 40 deaths possibly related to the
Pfizer vaccine since 2020."

And.....

"Meanwhile, the New Zealand Herald reported in July that by June 30, there were 451 new adverse events reported following inoculation with the COVID vaccine, with 23 being labeled as serious. Among the 23 serious cases, two were deaths."

Yay! You cut down on my reading.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yay! You cut down on my reading.

I live to serve.

 

[Heyo]

Also, I don't think Americans are any more stupid than other industrialized nations. Even those who are being stupid I don't think are stupid, just emotional, stubborn, and misinformed.

That's the nice way to put it (though I prefer "victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect") but in the end it doesn't change the fact that they are stupid.
1. 40% of Americans Believe in Creationism
2.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I realize this is a generalization, but as a teacher I don't think this is the case. More like there's a lack of funding and an education system that's slow to change to a pedagogy that's data-driven and not "the way it's always been done."

Also, I don't think Americans are any more stupid than other industrialized nations. Even those who are being stupid I don't think are stupid, just emotional, stubborn, and misinformed.

Hate to break it to you but even before all this anti-intellectualism was regarded as an American trait. There was even a book written about it,

 

[Kooky]

I'm for a smaller fiscally conservative govt that does not encourage intrusion into people's lives and choices.

But that's just me.

By which you mean, you don't want to pay for social programs because you don't think you'll ever need them.

 

[SomeRandom]

Hate to break it to you but even before all this anti-intellectualism was regarded as an American trait. There was even a book written about it,

Really? Which book, if I may ask?
I’m just curious (and I may have read it lol)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Really? Which book, if I may ask?
I’m just curious (and I may have read it lol)

Anti-intellectualism in American Life - Wikipedia

 

[Twilight Hue]

By which you mean, you don't want to pay for social programs because you don't think you'll ever need them.

No. I don't want to pay for pork barrel and special interest disguised as social programs.