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Poll: Is God All-Good?

Well?

  • God must be all-good to exist, but there's evil so he doesn't.

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • God is all-good, things work out for a reason (sometimes much later)

    Votes: 14 60.9%
  • God is evil. Therefore he exists.

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • God is evil, and somehow also doesn't exist (Explain that one).

    Votes: 4 17.4%
  • God is not evil but not all-good. He definitely exists, but I'm mad at him now.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • God is a trickster like Coyote or Loki.

    Votes: 3 13.0%

  • Total voters
    23

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Our true Parent is Pure Love.
Do you mean the real God and if so what is your evidence that God is Pure Love?
Is your evidence the NT?

If you have time, you might want to take a look at a thread I started today:
Why would an All-Loving God create a world that has so much suffering in it?
However the OT biblical "god" is not that true Parent and was made up in the hearts of men. So our Parent is Pure Love and the OT "god" only exists in a book and the hearts of mankind who want that kind of "god" to exist.
Do you mean that men wrote the OT and it does not depict the true God? I tend to agree with that.
People do not understand what this world is and why they are truly here, actually not here, just think they are due to their mind. To know Truth, we must listen to our Spirit that is from our Parent. Our mind is just a method of navigation of this illusion we believe is real. Our mind is the true enemy of Truth and Eternity.
I do not know what you mean by "navigation of this illusion we believe is real." I believe this world is only an illusion that most people believe to be real because that is what Baha'u'llah, the Founder of my religion, wrote:

“The world is but a show, vain and empty, a mere nothing, bearing the semblance of reality. Set not your affections upon it. Break not the bond that uniteth you with your Creator, and be not of those that have erred and strayed from His ways. Verily I say, the world is like the vapor in a desert, which the thirsty dreameth to be water and striveth after it with all his might, until when he cometh unto it, he findeth it to be mere illusion.” Gleanings, pp. 328-329

“Ere long the world and all that is therein shall be as a thing forgotten, and all honor shall belong to the loved ones of thy Lord, the All-Glorious, the Most Bountiful.” Gleanings, p. 306
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
So, to give some perspective, a good friend of mine who I'd lost touch with for a couple of weeks while I was feeling angry and sad, I managed to get in touch with, and it turned out she had some problems of her own. One of her friend's friends or something (she has more of a network going on than I do), had a husband with a kid, and he had known to have anger issues, and he was on mushrooms of some sort, and she was worried about the kid. She was convinced under the influence his anger would make him do stuff, I kinda wasn't (hallucinogens aren't like alcohol, they tend to make you weird not violent) but I looked it up. There's apparently three types: Psychedelics (they kinda expand your senses, and the biggest danger there is a bad trip, or like overclocking your brain and dying), Dissociatives (basically these shut out the senses, and the mind produces its own), and Deliriants (these create artificial perceptions, including feelings about other people like thinking that you're playing some awesome piano riff and everyone is cheering when actually you're plinking on the keyboard). The last one is directly dangerous to a child if a man is known for anger, because he could have a paranoid session where he decides the child is plotting to kill him or something. But I found out that mushrooms are not typically deliriants, but rather dissociatives. The child was in no direct danger (not from his anger that is, though she should still call the police because the kid was likely to be in an extreme neglect situation).

And then I realized that as much as my pain hurts, and as much as I was mad at God, I was sort of being dissociative (without the fun trips), and the child I was potentially hurting with my extreme depression were my nephew and niece. Essentially, through real world events, God had decided to speak to my pain. That's in some ways more messed up than whatever mushrooms could be taken, though. So I'm changing my answer to "Sorta like Coyote." And yea, I understand what Bobby Anderson is saying right now about "navigation of the illusion" .

It's probably easy to be mad at God. Actually, yea, it's definitely easy to be mad at God. But I think this is what they mean by the "unforgivable sin" of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, that you kinda get STUCK in a situation where you think no good of God, so you can't even hear God. We actually have a record about someone who this happened to. King Saul. We're told he loses the spirit of God and instead gets an evil spirit. He eventually becomes so desperate for answers that he goes to a necromancer and asks her to raise someone's ghost. It's unforgivable not because God won't forgive us, but because usually we are stuck not being able to forgive God.
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
Do you mean the real God and if so what is your evidence that God is Pure Love?
Is your evidence the NT?

If you have time, you might want to take a look at a thread I started today:
Why would an All-Loving God create a world that has so much suffering in it?

Do you mean that men wrote the OT and it does not depict the true God? I tend to agree with that.

I do not know what you mean by "navigation of this illusion we believe is real." I believe this world is only an illusion that most people believe to be real because that is what Baha'u'llah, the Founder of my religion, wrote:

“The world is but a show, vain and empty, a mere nothing, bearing the semblance of reality. Set not your affections upon it. Break not the bond that uniteth you with your Creator, and be not of those that have erred and strayed from His ways. Verily I say, the world is like the vapor in a desert, which the thirsty dreameth to be water and striveth after it with all his might, until when he cometh unto it, he findeth it to be mere illusion.” Gleanings, pp. 328-329

“Ere long the world and all that is therein shall be as a thing forgotten, and all honor shall belong to the loved ones of thy Lord, the All-Glorious, the Most Bountiful.” Gleanings, p. 306

would a real god tell you that your fellow
citizens are fake and have no soul?
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I guess they come back to get the next opportunity. Yes, that's reincarnation.

Reincarnation? That does not sound too biblical, at least prima facie, since inheriting the sins of Adam might look a bit like that reincarnaton.

ciao

- viole
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I believe the evil God does is good.
I assume then the definition of evil you use is nothing like that found in common English dictionaries.

e·vil
/ˈēvəl/

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adjective
adjective: evil
profoundly immoral and wicked.

[Lexico Dictionary]]

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Definition of evil

evil
adjective
1a : morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked an evil impulse

: causing harm : pernicious the evil institution of slavery
b : marked by misfortune : unlucky

evil

noun
Definition of evil

1a : the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing
b : a cosmic evil force
2 : something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity

[Merriam Webster Dictionary]
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evil

noun

/ˈi·vəl/
the condition of being immoral, cruel, or bad, or an act of this type:

[Cambridge Dictionary]

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evil
1 adj
adj morally bad or wrong
having or exerting a malignant influence
having the nature of vice

2noun
morally objectionable behavior
the quality of being morally wrong in principle or practice
that which causes harm or destruction or misfortune


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So, which dictionary are you using that says evil is good?



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Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
I believe life is good until you have to pay for your sins.

Funny that-- rich people pretty much think you are silly, and they never-EVER have to pay for sin.

Ever. They die-- never having had to pay for this "sin" thing you posit.

Can you describe "sin" without invoking magic?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
if God were all-good, then this could only be the best of all worlds.
What a horrible thought.

If this is the best of all possible worlds, then trying to make things better is a futile effort.

(It would also mean that Heaven is no better than here, which would have some strange implications)
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
If this is the best of all possible worlds, then trying to make things better is a futile effort.

(It would also mean that Heaven is no better than here, which would have some strange implications)
No, this is not the best of all possible worlds. Heaven is a helluva lot better than earth.

However, we have to live on this earth for a measured length of time, moreover future generations will continue living here on earth, so I believe that it is the job of humans to try to make this earth a better place.
 
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