Poll: Religious garb or religious garbage?

[Viker]

I personally put no value or have no regard for enforced dress codes. I'm not opposed to people doing so for themselves. I'm also not opposed to some form of decency with consequence for infraction, i.e. some idiot running around a street nude pointing at their genitals is rude and gross. Other than that, it's a free for all.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This is irrelevant. That's because there was no research done for your claims you made earlier so you don't have a choice but to make some random sentence to make a new conversation. Irrelevant.

I can't be bothered to find it, because you wouldn't accept it.
There have been reported examples of people being distracted by even pictures of even only lightly closed people and leaded to an increase in traffic accidents.
But I am not going to find the actual reports on that, because I know you. You will dismiss that passed on your standards as being correct.

 

[firedragon]

I can't be bothered to find it

So you make some assertions about human beings in the millions or billions with no study, but just your personal bias, and admit "you can't be bothered to find out".

That's bigotry.

Tsk.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..it was more about the situation in Iran (and Afghanistan) as to males' beliefs (silly old patriarchy) being imposed upon females..

No .. you imply that more men believe in hijab [and Qur'an] than women.
I don't believe that.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No .. you imply that more men believe in hijab [and Qur'an] than women.
I don't believe that.

No. Judging by the results of the poll, it is mainly and possibly only Muslims who see fit to restrict the rights of females as to how they dress. It is not about females wearing hijabs or anything similar, it is about the imposition of such upon them. And something that deserves to be banished to the past.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Ah. See, because you don't even have a telescope but only your eyes placed in your lifes purpose of spreading hatred towards muslims, you insist upon others to look at muslims only. I understand the hypocrisy. I suggest turn your eyes towards your own bigotry and hypocrisy.

But yes. Iran and Afghanistan are tyrannical and they oppress some women who are a bit different, just like france and switzerland.

Very funny. Particularly when people are dying in Iran, or elsewhere. But typical of you to divert attention away from Islam itself - being beyond criticism of course.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..it is mainly and possibly only Muslims who see fit to restrict the rights of females as to how they dress..

Yes these days it is, especially in the west, which has lost the idea of modesty being important over the last century.

It is not about females wearing hijabs or anything similar, it is about the imposition of such upon them..

I imagine that many mothers of these "activists" are not in agreement with their daughters. [who have been corrupted by the internet]
If the govt. doesn't back them up, it does nobody any favours.
..but of course, you think like you do, because you are a disbeliever.

 

[firedragon]

Very funny. Particularly when people are dying in Iran, or elsewhere. But typical of you to divert attention away from Islam itself - being beyond criticism of course.

Typical of people like you to escape hypocrisy by focusing on demonising islam and muslims. Yeah. Iran is a bad country so because they do it its okay for you to spread hatred and ignore other oppressors.

They do it so I can do it. Excellent strategy. Cheap one, but very good.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Typical of people like you to escape hypocrisy by focusing on demonising islam and muslims. Yeah. Iran is a bad country so because they do it its okay for you to spread hatred and ignore other oppressors.

They do it so I can do it. Excellent strategy. Cheap one, but very good.

Really funny again. Congratulations.

The thread is mainly about Iran (and Afghanistan), not about Islam or what Muslims want to wear when they choose to do so. Not see the difference? Probably not, since you continually try to sidetrack it to something else - as usual.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Yes these days it is, especially in the west, which has lost the idea of modesty being important over the last century.

Where I live, Muslims can wear a burqa or niqab, so there are certainly no such restrictions in my country. But then one can walk about naked too, as long as not too many complain.

I imagine that many mothers of these "activists" are not in agreement with their daughters. [who have been corrupted by the internet]
If the govt. doesn't back them up, it does nobody any favours.
..but of course, you think like you do, because you are a disbeliever.

I'm a believer in freedom and rights, especially for all, and given that imposing dress codes on females in some countries goes against such, then it is obvious why I am against this. And why so many around the world support those struggling to remove such impositions from their own country. Why not just leave it up to the individual? Erm, because the hard-liners fear that Islam will degrade in some manner?

 

[firedragon]

Really funny again.

Oppression is funny mate. It's nice. Great to oppress some women. I support you.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why not just leave it up to the individual? Erm, because the hard-liners fear that Islam will degrade in some manner?

The main reason is because:-

30 Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do.
31 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigor, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.
32 And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid servants. If they be poor; Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware.
- Qur'an The Light -

Now, you could argue that these "activists" are not believers, and there should not be any laws about hijab in a majority Muslim country. Others would disagree.

I think that the problem is all over the world. It has become increasingly global, and the west has exported its values all over.

It is not just Muslim countries that have "a bone to pick" with the west. They are more often than not, stuck in the middle, between Russia and China on the one hand, and US and Western Europe on the other.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The main reason is because:-

30 Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do.
31 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigor, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.
32 And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid servants. If they be poor; Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware.
- Qur'an The Light -

Now, you could argue that these "activists" are not believers, and there should not be any laws about hijab in a majority Muslim country. Others would disagree.

I think that the problem is all over the world. It has become increasingly global, and the west has exported its values all over.

It is not just Muslim countries that have "a bone to pick" with the west. They are more often than not, stuck in the middle, between Russia and China on the one hand, and US and Western Europe on the other.

Still smacks of patriarchy though - wherever such is found.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Oppression is funny mate. It's nice. Great to oppress some women. I support you.

Well, at least lay off the hate accusations - too many of these from you - or I will report you. Something I very rarely do. I don't hate any religions, but Islam happens to be one of the major ones as to which I find I have most issues over - as to its implementation. That is all.

 

[firedragon]

Well, at least lay off the hate accusations - too many of these from you - or I will report you. Something I very rarely do. I don't hate any religions, but Islam happens to be one of the major ones as to which I find I have most issues over - as to its implementation. That is all.

Study a little. It's always good for you.

Not from hate websites, but openly and directly.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Study a little. It's always good for you.

Not from hate websites, but openly and directly.

Look in mirror and repeat.

 

[firedragon]

Look in mirror and repeat.

No honestly study a bit. Because you have not studied anything about Islam. So looking in the mirror I might think how pathetic it is for someone to be so ignorant and pretend to make expert comments about another persons religion and then pretend "I don't hate".

Ciao.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No honestly study a bit. Because you have not studied anything about Islam. So looking in the mirror I might think how pathetic it is for someone to be so ignorant and pretend to make expert comments about another persons religion and then pretend "I don't hate".

Ciao.

You are being a bit foolish. Expecting Islam to somehow come out white as white all the time and not having any involvement in the many issues that so many, including myself, often cannot pass off as just being 'something else'. I'll not go into a list, given this is not the thread for that but you being a Muslim will inevitably mean defending your religious beliefs and Islam itself. Why would I expect otherwise.

 

[stevecanuck]

Oh, I can control myself.
I have no interest whatsoever in dirty women.

Let's stop and think about what you just said. @ChristineM referred to women who show their, "ankle or face or hair", and from that you extrapolated all the way across the spectrum to that making them "dirty". Did you really mean to do that?

 

[gnomon]

I could only get through the first five pages of this thread and the last two...

Has anyone thought of this

Why Iranian women are burning their hijabs after the death of Mahsa Amini