Ostronomos
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God can only answer prayer if you meet Him half way. That is, if you enter His dimension. But then one would recognize that one becomes vulnerable to all manner of demonic forces. I should know.
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Poll: The best argument against God, capital G.
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And your evidence for this claim is?
P,S, 'because that's what i believe' is not evidence
Ostronomos
Well-Known Member
Mere belief does not dictate my views.
So you have no evidence for your claim. Fair enough
It would be involved. Suffice to say that the mind
can be experimented with, eg, excising portions
to see effects.
Assume, as do I, that the Universe was created in “the Big Bang”, as pure quantum energy was converted spontaneously and “explosively” ( though that term is somewhat insufficient…”expansively” might be better) into matter, and that the mass of the matter thus created was resultant of the amount of energy condensed into that one point of singular space, according to the equation m=E%c^2 (the inverse of E=mc^2). What does this show about a hypothetical God? Nothing, since the “Omni God” is fully capable of designing a reality with physical laws which would result in the foregoing. This is what I mean when I say that mass-energy equivalence does not provide evidence invalidating the proposition that “a God exists”.
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Will you translate that into English, please? I have no idea what you mean. What is a “dimension”, and how does one meet God “half way”? Half way to what, exactly? Your post sounds vaguely like one of the type of nonsensical comments that Christian preachers will make in order to generate positive emotions in the congregation.
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Assuming said god existed prior to the (what is considered) beginning of time. It is a possibility though extremely far fetched. As it stands I'll stick to my argument that omnipotence means infinite energy and if there is infinite energy then mass cannot exist because of E=MC2
This might be true if God was a physical being, bound by the laws of physics, but the Omni God of Judeo-Christian/Muslim understanding is obviously not. This God is not bound by the laws of physics, and can create physical things which have mass (such as our universe) out of nothing (ex nihilo) with absolutely no expenditure of energy, by merely thinking them into existence (by fiat). The potency of such a God requires no energy and is not based upon energy in any fashion.
This is a conversion equation, not a zero-sum statement.
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Yes, and?
This is not meaningful and a nebulous subjective personal view of how to explain something that is not relevant to anyone else, nor evidence that God(s) exist.
You have not presented any evidence that is not based on 'Mere belief.'
Oh, Christine! I feel now that you are “playing dumb” for some unknown reason. Assuming that you are English and have been raised in England, I am quite sure that you well know the characteristics of the Judeo-Christian God. It’s power is transcendent in the sense of being “free from the constraints of the material world”. I personally have no burden of proof for this because I deem it to be false; I need provide no evidence for this because it is not my proposition…not a proposition that I maintain to be true. I am merely indicating the proposition of the Christian church which it uses as a premise, in fact as the most basic of premises, for the Nicene Creed. What I am saying is that within the context of Christian cosmology, God is “free from the constraints of the material world”, including the laws of physics, which include E=mc^2. As such, the omnipotence of the Christian God is not to be defined as a sum total of energy, nor is it bound or limited by available energy.
I too was raised in England.
What characteristics? There are over 3.5 billion Abrahamic God believers and i would think there are close to that number different beliefs of what the Abrahamic God is.
No evidence then, fair enough.
Of course being free of the laws (he supposedly made) without evidence of such a claim is a wonderful cop out excuse.
Unfortunately i go by those laws and scientific cosmology. I.e. supernatural is of the human imagination, E=MC2 is shown to be sound.
My choice is reality.
PureX
Veteran Member
Energy would in effect be the physical expression of "God's will".
Regarding the "no evidence" comment for a transcendent creator God, the evidence is the logical necessity for it. A necessity that has been recognized by all human cultures in all times and places.
This begs the question that mind=brain, which is precisely what would need to be proved on the materialist view. Perhaps I'll start a thread on this today or tomorrow.
OK.
But in the meantime, take care of that brain...just in case.
dybmh
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I think this would be a vote for "other"? A god (whom you believe to be honest and knowledgeble ) told you that God in the bible is false?
If so, I think it's a great argument against God. I hadn't thought of that. Thank you. And if you didn't vote, please do so?