"Pornography Offends the Holy Ghost"

[Curious George]

Yes. You made a claim and you said it's proven so provide evidence.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,38&q=impacts+of+pornography+on+children&btnG=

I guess start there. I am surprised that you haven't heard about this before now is all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,38&q=impacts+of+pornography+on+children&btnG=

I guess start there. I am surprised that you haven't heard about this before now is all.

A Google search is not evidence. Worse yet most of those articles do not seem to draw clear supported conclusions. And of course most peer reviewed articles cannot be read past the abstract.
This sort of tactic indicates that you cannot support your claim. I am not saying that you are right or wrong, merely pointing out that you should not make claims that you cannot support.

 

[Curious George]

A Google search is not evidence. Worse yet most of those articles do not seem to draw clear supported conclusions. And of course most peer reviewed articles cannot be read past the abstract.
This sort of tactic indicates that you cannot support your claim. I am not saying that you are right or wrong, merely pointing out that you should not make claims that you cannot support.

There is literally plenty of research, you are welcome to dig into it. The claim is such a basic claim that I only need to provide a Google search. I did not claim causation, so I am not sure for what type of conclusions you are looking. I just cannot see bothering to filter through the mounds of research all supporting my claim to grab a couple of choice studies.

If you asked for support that eating veggies was good for your health, I would provide you the same.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is literally plenty of research, you are welcome to dig into it. The claim is such a basic claim that I only need to provide a Google search. I did not claim causation, so I am not sure for what type of conclusions you are looking. I just cannot see bothering to filter through the mounds of research all supporting my claim to grab a couple of choice studies.

If you asked for support that eating veggies was good for your health, I would provide you the same.

You do not seem to understand. You made the claim. You were challenged by another since you did not support it. That puts the burden of proof upon you.

 

[Curious George]

You do not seem to understand. You made the claim. You were challenged by another since you did not support it. That puts the burden of proof upon you.

Yes, I understand. I gave that user a good starting point to research the topic.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,38&q=impacts+of+pornography+on+children&btnG=

I guess start there. I am surprised that you haven't heard about this before now is all.

That's not helpful as you need to pay to look at the studies and I'm not about to wade through all of that. In the future, it's best to find an article that discusses these things and use that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, I understand. I gave that user a good starting point to research the topic.

You don't seem to understand. You have to support your claim. In a debate you are effectively wrong (not necessarily wrong) if you cannot do so when challenged. Right now you have as much as admitted that you were wrong by your actions.

 

[Skwim]

What is wrong with children viewing porn (legal consensual ones created by consenting adults) ? I have always been curious about what the justification is? Why is watching folks having sex considered bad while watching people banging each other in the football field good?

I see nothing wrong with children watching porn, AS LONG AS the porn doesn't involve coercion or pain, and it's understood (the parents responsibility here) that some acts can be harmful if done improperly, that not everything depicted is everybody's cup of tea, and that some B&D is just acting. Preferably, I'd like to see everybody in porn movies genuinely pleased before and after their performance.



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[Skwim]

Watch the video to find out.

Yeah, I didn't think you knew what your talking about.

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[sayak83]

Sex is a complicated human interaction. It's far more than just a biological function. And children do not have the capacity to understand all the emotional intricacies of adult sexual interaction.

Also, porn is not just pictures of people having sexual intercourse! It's an industry designed to make money off the secret "dirty" fantasies of other people. Pornography does not accurately represent human sexual interaction. It represents, mostly, the interactions that we specifically do NOT engage in with each other, because we know it's exploitive, abusive, and otherwise unhealthy, but that we still find titillating to fantasize about. Children don't understand this kind of complexity. They see it and think it's "real". They think this is really how adults interact with each other, sexually. Which is a horrible misconception that can cause them to mimic horrible behaviors, unknowingly.

Yet children watch WWE, do they not? What is there in TV, cartoons or stories that contain interactions that modern people do engage in today? If one looks at internet today, most porn is simply story-less sex acts between adults, unless one is paying for video movies or something. The only thing that would be of interest to kids is the fact that we make it taboo and they don't usually see adults naked. Children don't feel shame running around naked either, it's something we teach. Thus, in the final analysis, it seems clear to me that it's not porn that is messed up, but rather our own attitude towards our bodies and our sexuality.

 

[gnomon]

A video: What Should I Do When I See Pornography?

A production of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
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"Just as there are dangers in the ocean There are dangers in the world... One of those dangers is pornography."

"Pornography means bad pictures of people with little or no clothes on."

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So, what do you think of the video?


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I voted right on point.

Because neither God, Jesus or any other intelligent human beings wants to watch Mormons having sex.

They have enough of it already.

Is it possible to make a bad joke on this forum?

 

[Enoch07]

Yeah, I didn't think you knew what your talking about.

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Blah blah blah whatevs

 

[sayak83]

I am not sure if you are being serious. Firstly, as another poster pointed out porn is an edited and often unrealistic version of the real thing. In many instances porn is capitalism exploiting sexual fantasies and not all together educational. That said, seeing any adults engaged in sex, realistic or otherwise, is not age appropriate for young children given our society. While I am not disagreeing that a different society might be possible, we do not have a different society. In our society, we have shown that exposing childten to sexually explicit material correlates to harm and is therefore abuse. Why would you think that it is ok to expose children to this type of material?

Please provide data showing that children watching porn or adults having sex is harmful for them.

 

[sayak83]

There is literally plenty of research, you are welcome to dig into it. The claim is such a basic claim that I only need to provide a Google search. I did not claim causation, so I am not sure for what type of conclusions you are looking. I just cannot see bothering to filter through the mounds of research all supporting my claim to grab a couple of choice studies.

If you asked for support that eating veggies was good for your health, I would provide you the same.

Unfortunately the articles in your link (specifically those after the internet revolution) do not support your views.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Just a pity that the issue of protecting kid's minds (which i think everyone would agree with) can be exploited as the thin end of the wedge.

I agree with protecting child minds, but not swaying them against pornography in a political fashion.

This is an incredulous statement to me because the video does not appear to be a commercial, and aren't you being just as judgmental to the Church of LDS from just one video?

Do you think I'm being judgmental? The LDS church is known to engage in politics and funnel money into causes- even when they're not supposed to. It was revealed the LDS church put a lot of money into California's overturning Section 8 back when same-sex marriage was still a state question.

How much porn do you think is out there on the internet?

I know it's a lot.

What does Buddhism say about pornography?

This is probably a matter of ask three Buddhists and get five opinions. Buddhism only clearly outlines two things as sexual immorality for lay persons: adultery and non-consensual sex (IE: children and animals).

There are some further ideas about what constitutes sexual immorality within Theravada's Abhidhamma tradition. Buddhagosa for example thought that homosexuality has negative karmic consequences. However, Buddhagosa could only have been giving his opinion as he lived centuries after the Buddha. That's not even going into the debate about rather Abhidhamma is Buddhist, or actually has it's origins in Charvaka and other Indian materialistic schools, which were early rivals of the Sangha.

In short- porn is not clearly against Buddhist morals. In fact, Buddhists have been lenient to practices like prostitution through history.

Do Buddhists discuss the problem in church?

That's temple, but not that I've ever seen.

And morality is part of the job of churches.

Sure, for it's members. It isn't the church's job to make society live by Christian rules.

What's bad about porn on the internet is that it's too easily accessible, so children can see it.

There are ways of handling that problem, but sadly they probably won't be implemented without legal action. I wish that weren't so, because whenever said action comes- Republicans are likely to go much further than the problem of child access to pornography.

 

[Curious George]

That's not helpful as you need to pay to look at the studies and I'm not about to wade through all of that. In the future, it's best to find an article that discusses these things and use that.

Hmmm, how is that not helpful? You can try to see if any of the studies you particularly want to look up are on the Web by searching them individually. Moreover, you will likely be able to get electronic copies with your local library. Many colleges have access to journals, you can travel to one of the local colleges that does and utilize there resources.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Pornography is bad.

In what context? What do you mean?

 

[Curious George]

You don't seem to understand. You have to support your claim. In a debate you are effectively wrong (not necessarily wrong) if you cannot do so when challenged. Right now you have as much as admitted that you were wrong by your actions.

Two things: First, I don't mind being wrong.
Second, I think you are mistaken in what makes someone effectively wrong.

But hey, if someone was really interested in the topic and wanted to learn, I pointed them in the correct direction. They can do research, gain knowledge, and be "effectively wrong" but actually right just like me in the future.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Hmmm, how is that not helpful? You can try to see if any of the studies you particularly want to look up are on the Web by searching them individually. Moreover, you will likely be able to get electronic copies with your local library. Many colleges have access to journals, you can travel to one of the local colleges that does and utilize there resources.

You're crazy if you think I'm doing all that work over a claim a person on a message board made and didn't care to prove. If you don't care about it, I damn sure am not. It's a claim that's wrong going by simple logic, anyway.

 

[Scott C.]

In what context? What do you mean?

I can't think of a context in which pornography is not bad.