Pre-Big Bang

[Subduction Zone]

You always say that when you don't understand. Never mind, tbh it is higher intiation teaching so you are excused.

No, you always say that when you don't understand. Just because others won't buy your bull**** does not mean that they don't understand.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hard to discern as you are all over the place. Christian Holy Spirit, Hindu maya, "initiation" of hermetic mysticism, that's too syncretic even for experienced RFians.

He has stolen bits and pieces from quite a few religions, mix them together with a healthy dose of psychobabble and voila! A new "truth" is born.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Hard to discern as you are all over the place. Christian Holy Spirit, Hindu maya, "initiation" of hermetic mysticism, that's too syncretic even for experienced RFians.

The reality of which I speak is the only one that exists, different cultures use different names and concepts to convey their teaching about the one reality. If you want to learn what and who you really are in the context of universal reality, it is necessary to open the mind and go beyond all conceptual knowledge.

 

[Heyo]

The reality of which I speak is the only one that exists, different cultures use different names and concepts to convey their teaching about the one reality. If you want to learn what and who you really are in the context of universal reality, it is necessary to open the mind and go beyond all conceptual knowledge.

Thanks but no, thanks. I like my reality real and rational.

 

[We Never Know]

Or our understanding of time is not applicable to the question. If time is a dimension of spacetime and didn't exist, there is no "before". It would be as meaningless as "up" and "down" would be to a 2-dimensional entity.

So it either always existed or it poofed into existence.

 

[Heyo]

So it either always existed or it poofed into existence.

When time has a beginning, there is no difference between the two.

 

[We Never Know]

When time has a beginning, there is no difference between the two.

Did time have a beginning?
Or has it always existed but we can't go that far back?

 

[We Never Know]

When time has a beginning, there is no difference between the two.

If the big bang came from a singularity, it existed before the big bang. It may have been for a millionth of a nano second or for millions of years. Who knows?

Kind of like a creator creating time. Time had to exist for the creator to exist.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, you always say that when you don't understand. Just because others won't buy your bull**** does not mean that they don't understand.

There is nothing on sale for you to buy, perhaps its time to say bye.bye.

But remember, my doors are always open to those who have a sincere question.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Thanks but no, thanks. I like my reality real and rational.

Fine, all the best.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is nothing on sale for you to buy, perhaps its time to say bye.bye.

But remember, my doors are always open to those who have a sincere question.

I asked sincere questions and never got an answer.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I asked sincere questions and never got an answer.

I knew you couldn't say bye. The problem you face with what I explain is that it requires, as one would expect wrt deeply esoteric subjects. a prerequisite understanding of the human self's mind in the context of awareness.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I knew you couldn't say bye. The problem you face with what I explain is that it requires, as one would expect wrt deeply esoteric subjects. a prerequisite understanding of the human self's mind in the context of awareness.

I knew that you could not give an answer.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I knew that you could not give an answer.

That is an answer, it's just not one you were expecting. or agree with. Fair enough, I understand where you are coming from, all the best SZ.

Now no more comebacks....

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's a hypothesis I have for a long time. Homo sapience may split in two subspecies. Religion, spirituality, tendency to believe, call it what you want, is a human trait. I'm a mutant who was born without it and so are others. We may split into superstitious and rational when those traits prevent interbreeding. And there are signs it is happening. While the rational people get more rational, the superstitious get more superstitious.

Though it would be nice if it was true I think that there is a lot more to being irrational or rational than just genetics.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That's a hypothesis I have for a long time. Homo sapience may split in two subspecies. Religion, spirituality, tendency to believe, call it what you want, is a human trait. I'm a mutant who was born without it and so are others. We may split into superstitious and rational when those traits prevent interbreeding. And there are signs it is happening. While the rational people get more rational, the superstitious get more superstitious.

People on the planet are not equal, never have been, there are the least evolved through to the most. The vast majority of people in the planet still identify almost completely with their body. They think their body is what and who they are, and thus live and behave accordingly. Otoh there are a minority who begin to know themselves as spirit and have begun to leave their body in pure awareness, these are the most evolved. As Jesus taught, that which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit, unless you are born of the spirit, you will not see heaven.

 

[Subduction Zone]

People on the planet are not equal, never have been, there are the least evolved through to the most. The vast majority of people in the planet still identify almost completely with their body. They think their body is what and who they are, and thus live and behave accordingly. Otoh there are a minority who begin to know themselves as spirit and have begun to leave their body in pure awareness, these are the most evolved. As Jesus taught, that which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit, unless you are born of the spirit, you will not see heaven.

You know nothing about evolution. What makes you think that there is a "more evolved"?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You know nothing about evolution. What makes you think that there is a "more evolved"?

Did you not read my post, most people almost fully self identify as being their body, they look in the mirror and believe that is the extent of what they are.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did you not read my post, most people almost fully self identify as being their body, they look in the mirror and believe that is the extent of what they are.

That nonsense does not make up for your error.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That nonsense does not make up for your error.

What error, do you think you are your body?