Pre-Big Bang

[Subduction Zone]

No one but God can show God to be real. Those that have turned away from God have failed, they can only blame themselves for their failure. But God's doors are always open, if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

Then you are essentially saying that your earlier statements, in fact even this statement or yours is false since you clearly have not experienced "God".

Can you properly define your God? I doubt if you can.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Incorrect. Pain is easily demonstrable. It has a clear meaning. You cannot say the same about spiritual experiences. You are making an unjustified assumption based just upon a name. Your analogy fails.

How are you ever going to make a valid point if you do not even know how to apply logic properly?

Spirit also has a clear meaning to those who have had a spiritual experience, but you dear SZ, have never had one, else you would not act like an atheist.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Then you are essentially saying that your earlier statements, in fact even this statement or yours is false since you clearly have not experienced "God".

Can you properly define your God? I doubt if you can.

God is all that is, manifest and unmanifest. All the human body can experience is the manifest part, the soul otoh is one with the whole, manifest and unmanifest.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Spirit also has a clear meaning to those who have had a spiritual experience, but you dear SZ, have never had one, else you would not act like an atheist.

Does it? I bet that you cannot properly define it. That means no unsupported assumptions at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God is all that is, manifest and unmanifest. All the human body can experience is the manifest part, the soul otoh is one with the whole, manifest and unmanifest.

Sorry but this is just nonsense. I could say the same about my farts, and they appear to be a lot more powerful. Can you support any of your claims?

 

[Subduction Zone]

@ben d , my last post may have been a bit rude. And I do apologize for that. But it is no more rude than endlessly preaching, which is what you have been doing here. That is also against the rules of the forum. If you are polite, people will be polite when they respond to you. But if you are endlessly rude, and preaching is rude, then you will probably get rude responses now and then.

 

[rational experiences]

If a man the theist of science thinks he is intelligent.

The so called substance before all things..as thought about....no type of what does exist would exist or by his thoughts had existed.

He'd then lie as he would be making a theory about what he claims already exists.

No human for a really long time is involved in a human thesis. Rationally he cannot think about it as logic. Man able to stand on rock inside a heavens.

No machine exists his as his science practice. To thesis ultimate greed. Everything... he manically laughs.

His answer says he doesn't need it. As he owns no human reason for it. In the status what I think about.

He argues however as a lying nasty greedy human being.

Who born a baby conned his human mother into believing he is innocent.

When his choices as a man says otherwise.

The once an innocent baby nasty adult man. Abused murdered criminal life past and present against humanity.humane the term family. As you are exactly told taught as family human.

If you're too busy trying to prove you're spiritual you aren't facing any fact of life's evidence.

So don't blame God when he destroys you.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Does it? I bet that you cannot properly define it. That means no unsupported assumptions at all.

How do you define mathematics to your young son? You explain the principles and perhaps provide them with an elementary introduction book on mathematics.

How do you explain spirit to an atheist? You explain the principles, and you show them the bible. Please feel free to learn about spirit and hopefully down the track of devotion, you may have a spiritual experience SZ.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sorry but this is just nonsense. I could say the same about my farts, and they appear to be a lot more powerful. Can you support any of your claims?

Seriously SZ, even if you were an avid religious student, all conceptual teaching about God, spirit, etc., can only introduce the aspirant to ideas, the real is forever on the other side. Spirit needs to be realized by the aspirant in an inner sense it is not material and as rational experiences never stops reminding people, God is beyond science, leave your conceptualization behind if you want to know what God is.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

@ben d , my last post may have been a bit rude. And I do apologize for that. But it is no more rude than endlessly preaching, which is what you have been doing here. That is also against the rules of the forum. If you are polite, people will be polite when they respond to you. But if you are endlessly rude, and preaching is rude, then you will probably get rude responses now and then.

No worries SZ. However, in the matter of your endless challenges to my explanations about religious matters, I am not preaching, I am responding honestly to your posts. If you think they are rude, they are not intended to be, why don't you avoid challenging every post I make and you will not be offended by my answers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Seriously SZ, even if you were an avid religious student, all conceptual teaching about God, spirit, etc., can only introduce the aspirant to ideas, the real is forever on the other side. Spirit needs to be realized by the aspirant in an inner sense it is not material and as rational experiences never stops reminding people, God is beyond science, leave your conceptualization behind if you want to know what God is.

Dude! You are not a serious student.

You keep refuting yourself, though you don't realize it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No worries SZ. However, in the matter of your endless challenges to my explanations about religious matters, I am not preaching, I am responding honestly to your posts. If you think they are rude, they are not intended to be, why don't you avoid challenging every post I make and you will not be offended by my answers.

No, preaching is all that you ever do. You have not given one explanation.

 

[Heyo]

So here is what I find curious, that atheists believe in spirit. How would you describe spirit?

"
from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

• noun A force or principle believed to animate living beings.
• noun A force or principle believed to animate humans and often to endure after departing from the body of a person at death; the soul.
• noun The Holy Spirit.
• noun A supernatural being, as.
• noun An angel or demon.
• noun A being inhabiting or embodying a particular place, object, or natural phenomenon.
• noun A fairy or sprite.
• noun The part of a human associated with the mind, will, and feelings.
• noun The essential nature of a person or group.
• noun A person as characterized by a stated quality.
• noun An inclination or tendency of a specified kind.
• noun A pervasive or essential attitude, quality, or principle.
• noun An attitude marked by enthusiasm, energy, or courage.
• noun A mood or emotional state.
• noun Strong loyalty or dedication.
• noun The actual though unstated sense or significance of something.
• noun An alcohol solution of an essential or volatile substance.
• noun An alcoholic beverage, especially distilled liquor." - from spirit - definition and meaning

The last two are the only ones which describe real things.

What is your favourite definition and what definition is relevant to discussing "spiritual experience"?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Dude! You are not a serious student.

You keep refuting yourself, though you don't realize it.

Has it occurred to you that you do not understand what is being said to you as you are not a spiritual aspirant. You can't be that dumb as to not know that?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, preaching is all that you ever do. You have not given one explanation.

None that you understand you mean.

Give up son, either become a student of religion or be an atheist, you be a failure at both if you don't make a choice. A real atheist wouldn't be hanging around spiritual aspirants for tips on what spirit is.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

"
from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

• noun A force or principle believed to animate living beings.
• noun A force or principle believed to animate humans and often to endure after departing from the body of a person at death; the soul.
• noun The Holy Spirit.
• noun A supernatural being, as.
• noun An angel or demon.
• noun A being inhabiting or embodying a particular place, object, or natural phenomenon.
• noun A fairy or sprite.
• noun The part of a human associated with the mind, will, and feelings.
• noun The essential nature of a person or group.
• noun A person as characterized by a stated quality.
• noun An inclination or tendency of a specified kind.
• noun A pervasive or essential attitude, quality, or principle.
• noun An attitude marked by enthusiasm, energy, or courage.
• noun A mood or emotional state.
• noun Strong loyalty or dedication.
• noun The actual though unstated sense or significance of something.
• noun An alcohol solution of an essential or volatile substance.
• noun An alcoholic beverage, especially distilled liquor." - from spirit - definition and meaning

The last two are the only ones which describe real things.

What is your favourite definition and what definition is relevant to discussing "spiritual experience"?

It is not a matter of favourite, it depends on context, I have used it in all the meanings above.

In the context of spiritual experience, such as a religious devotee may experience, the Holy Spirit.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Has it occurred to you that you do not understand what is being said to you as you are not a spiritual aspirant. You can't be that dumb as to not know that?

Have you ever considered, and your posts do show this, that you are just spouting nonsense that you do not understand yourself?

If you truly knew what you claim to know you could demonstrate it. You would not need word salad and false claims about others.

 

[Subduction Zone]

None that you understand you mean.

Give up son, either become a student of religion or be an atheist, you be a failure at both if you don't make a choice. A real atheist wouldn't be hanging around spiritual aspirants for tips on what spirit is.

Please, you failed. All you can do is preach. And I probably have a better understanding of spirit than you do. You only pretend to know, but when push comes to shove you tell us that you do not.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Have you ever considered, and your posts do show this, that you are just spouting nonsense that you do not understand yourself?

If you truly knew what you claim to know you could demonstrate it. You would not need word salad and false claims about others.

Wash, rinse, repeat, that is so feeble.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Please, you failed. All you can do is preach. And I probably have a better understanding of spirit than you do. You only pretend to know, but when push comes to shove you tell us that you do not.