Pre-Big Bang

[muhammad_isa]

That may be only the start of our universe..

Yes .. one can make conjecture about a multiverse, but that does not change anything..

..and most of those that accept that the Big Bang started everything also believe that time started at that point .

That doesn't make a lot of sense..
Time, as in time defined relative to this universe, says nothing about the existence of a multiverse or existence itself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes .. one can make conjecture about a multiverse, but that does not change anything..


That doesn't make a lot of sense..
Time, as in time defined relative to this universe, says nothing about the existence of a multiverse or existence itself.

So what? Here is the problem that you cannot deal with. We do have plenty of evidence for our universe There is even some rational indication of a multiverse. There does not appear to be any reliable indication that your god exists at all.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..There does not appear to be any reliable indication that your god exists at all.

..reverting back to that, shows you have nothing more intelligent to say on the matter.

It becomes boring when every thread ends up with the same topic.
i.e. empirical proof of God

 

[Subduction Zone]

..reverting back to that, shows you have nothing more intelligent to say on the matter.

It becomes boring when every thread ends up with the same topic.
i.e. empirical proof of God

I did not ask for that. You are the one that keeps bringing it up. So of course foolish arguments are rapidly refuted. Why do you do this? You make poor arguments which amount to be an attempt to make an empirical proof of God . Then you get mad at others when your poor arguments are refuted.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Again, where did God come from if there had to supposedly be a cause?

Basically, you've made an assumption that I am unwilling to make because we have 0 evidence of causation of the BB.

God is an eternal indivisible one, without beginning or end, cause and affect, ie., apparent duality, are merely attributes of the manifestation of God.

I am unaware of talking about a cause wrt BB?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, you are guilty of that. You are too ready to claim that others did not have a spiritual experience. Did you know that some people can have such an experience and still reason logically after the fact? You seem to believe that a spiritual experience is evidence. It really is not. It is just an event and if it cannot be reliably repeated it is only an "I don't know what happened here" event.

You were the narcissist here when you tried to claim that atheists and other non-believers never had a spiritual experience.

Do you understand how your false accusation failed as an argument now?

So here is what I find curious, that atheists believe in spirit. How would you describe spirit?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It is not that it "could not", it is that it doesn't .. it is finite, as are our lives here on earth.

God is eternal, and so is the Cosmos, the two are actually one, the one eternal spiritual God manifests Itself in apparent duality. God has no beginning and no end, while the manifestation of God, from the smallest to the largest, have a beginning and end, birth and death.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So here is what I find curious, that atheists believe in spirit. How would you describe spirit?

Who says that I believe in spirit. You appear to be making an unjustified assumption about what a spiritual experience is. The problem arises when people have such an experience they think that it is "from God" when there are other explanations available.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God is an eternal indivisible one, without beginning or end, cause and affect, ie., apparent duality, are merely attributes of the manifestation of God.

I am unaware of talking about a cause wrt BB?

God is eternal, and so is the Cosmos, the two are actually one, the one eternal spiritual God manifests Itself in apparent duality. God has no beginning and no end, while the manifestation of God, from the smallest to the largest, have a beginning and end, birth and death.

And how do you "know" this? How do you support these claims?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Who says that I believe in spirit. You appear to be making an unjustified assumption about what a spiritual experience is. The problem arises when people have such an experience they think that it is "from God" when there are other explanations available.

Hold on, are you implying an atheists spiritual experience does not involve spirit?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

And how do you "know" this? How do you support these claims?

God supports the claim, seek God and you too will find the truth. Knock and the door will be opened. Thing is, you must open your mind to God, if you deny your spiritual source's existence, then it follows that you continue to live in ignorance of what and who you really are. But of course you are welcome to be as you are.

 

[rational experiences]

Basic human advice for liars.

Your two human parents scientists not your life had sex. You were born a baby. The human baby life grew your adult human life.

Theists told the baby human is your creator not God ...no man is God.

Energy mass substances burning or a gas in space existing as it's natural mass.

Pretty basic advice no man is God. The exact human reasoned answer. Consciousness.

To be aware advised is to be conscious versus lying human theists.

As only a machine built from earths mass is practiced science.

A machine didn't invent life by a human claiming they are an alien machine controller first who invented the presence of a human.

Loss of natural human consciousness proven. A human theist says they aren't a human. Instead envisioned self as the alien being who built his machine is now controlling humans invented biology.

As human men transmitting via satellite feedback studies on biology.

All earths machines except one is outside in space.

Is who your all supposed to see as awake psychic humans owning an ability to self assess. Human minds self conscious possession. Machines history of brain changed causes.

Human the designer builder. No machine first. Bio mind controls the effect machination. Then introduced artificial mind changes.

Star dusts of the sun is fuel above for light to exist without burning up all of our heavens gas mass.

Gas mass sacrificed once only. Void vacuum held light fuel above. Cross it over it sacrificed a greater amount of heavens spirit...gases. The exact warning body in heavens gets removed.

We all die in causes. Fall of man fallout causes spirit gas sacrificed above. Exactly told why.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Basic human advice for liars..

..take a deep breath, and think again.

 

[rational experiences]

..take a deep breath, and think again.

I'm a human your a human.

Sex by two humans not your life created your presence.

When I was attacked I could not breathe. Only an experimenter would know that advice. I'm not part machine lying scientists. Machines don't breathe do they liar!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hold on, are you implying an atheists spiritual experience does not involve spirit?

Why should it? It is just a name for an experience. You are conflating a label for the thing itself. This leads to circular reasoning.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God supports the claim, seek God and you too will find the truth. Knock and the door will be opened. Thing is, you must open your mind to God, if you deny your spiritual source's existence, then it follows that you continue to live in ignorance of what and who you really are. But of course you are welcome to be as you are.

Sorry, but sounds like a dodge or delusion. If your god is real how would you show that he is real? Countless people have knocked and no one was at home.

You cannot blame others for your failure.

 

[rational experiences]

A lying inhumane man plus men who agree the theist scientist against natural life natural laws.

Wants the base energy resource of all things science equating to God his machine. Whose body mass he conjured by taking earth dusts to zero nothing point. To arrive at metals to design machine.

All calculus phi. Designed parts for machines only. Phi design.

He studies sound transmitters phi fallout not phi as heavens mass stopped burning as mass not phi.

Basic science advice not phi.

He thinks. He studies machines feedback. He realises he can program by feedback human heavens transmitted attack on biology get computerised Ai data feedback.

Feedback.

Feedback by machines mind contact psyche subliminal interactive suggestions didn't invent create humans biology.

As his earth isn't a machines.

Heavens closest type in spirit is a gas to water oxygenated bio life.

Nowhere near radiation or metals or metal mass.

He claims it's transmitters that produce sounds.

A gas mass water oxygenated heavens our protection isn't any transmitter.

AI man says but I can copy your image I can transmit it machine to machine.

Really machines own all causes does it brother?

It's energy he says I want to resource it.

Talking about machine conditions the whole time.

He says your cloud image is what energy I want.

Only one huge water loss off ground took life's biology microbe up into burning to make cloud images.

Ours are small bodies of personal water removed as carbon effect to microbes in holy water returned saved by living holy water that protects biology images. Not energy reactions.

We aren't clouds above in reactive masses. He says we are Jesus....science said image of man Jesus ended above in clouds mass removal of life's ground water.

Ceased hell attack of burning gases above. Image proved men of science did it. As baby born by sex adult life was as bio life severely bio damaged in blood cell bio chemicals.

As he claimed my man baby is a heavens god a ghost gas of colours man of science said you lied. That's the heavenly father's cloak mantle protection body above.

Your just a human man whose mother human cell ova had healed by heavens remassed mass. So you could be reborn as a man baby in the human bio cell.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Why should it? It is just a name for an experience. You are conflating a label for the thing itself. This leads to circular reasoning.

By that logic, a painful experience has nothing to do with pain, in the same way a spiritual experience has nothing to do with spirit. You are not even close to being coherent, if this is what atheists believe, God help them!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sorry, but sounds like a dodge or delusion. If your god is real how would you show that he is real? Countless people have knocked and no one was at home.

You cannot blame others for your failure.

No one but God can show God to be real. Those that have turned away from God have failed, they can only blame themselves for their failure. But God's doors are always open, if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By that logic, a painful experience has nothing to do with pain, in the same way a spiritual experience has nothing to do with spirit. You are not even close to being coherent, if this is what atheists believe, God help them!

Incorrect. Pain is easily demonstrable. It has a clear meaning. You cannot say the same about spiritual experiences. You are making an unjustified assumption based just upon a name. Your analogy fails.

How are you ever going to make a valid point if you do not even know how to apply logic properly?