Pre-Big Bang

[Heyo]

It is not a matter of favourite, it depends on context, I have used it in all the meanings above.

In the context of spiritual experience, such as a religious devotee may experience, the Holy Spirit.

OK, so we have, Holy Spirit is the correct definition for the context and an experience with the Holy Spirit is a spiritual experience.
Does that mean that

• members of other religions don't have spiritual experiences?
• Christians who later convert or de-convert get retroactively stripped of their spiritual experience?
• one has to have prior belief in or knowledge of the Holy Spirit to have a spiritual experience?
• you haven't really thought that through?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

OK, so we have, Holy Spirit is the correct definition for the context and an experience with the Holy Spirit is a spiritual experience.
Does that mean that

• members of other religions don't have spiritual experiences?
• Christians who later convert or de-convert get retroactively stripped of their spiritual experience?
• one has to have prior belief in or knowledge of the Holy Spirit to have a spiritual experience?
• you haven't really thought that through?

In the order you gave.
No
No
No
No

 

[wellwisher]

Physics and astrophycics aren't really an interest of mine, but if time began with the big bang, how does anything exist before that? There can be no "before" without time. That would be like asking what came before the beginning of infinity. The question itself is a paradox

Then again, I'm ignorant on the topic, so maybe someone else can find an answer to that question

Time did not begin at the BB, rather space-time began at the Big Bang. The Big Bang is where and space and time merge into space-time. The time line of the universe is connected to time propagating to the future, as the universe expands in space. These occur together. A light year is a measure of distance in space-time; distance light can travel in one year.

Before space-time, I would expect time and space were not connected. If you could move time apart from space, you would be aware of what is going on in all places in space, all at the same time; omniscience. If you could move in space apart from time, you will be everywhere, at the same time; omnipresence. These are consistent with the classical attributes of God.

I have not added any new variables, but simply separated space-time into separate space and time. Physics is slow on the uptake since the Atheist religion, makes this simple solution, taboo.

In the quantum universe, we observe affects like quantum coupling where two particles can synchronize in time independent of space. This would be an example of time potential; time not connected to space-time. That is evidence to see as proof of concept. This coupling in independent space and time was sort of the universe before the BB. However, there were more layers based on all the combinations of separated space and time.

The law of physics are the same in all references; Einstein. This is another example of the separated space and time concept. This claim defies the rules of space-time which requires all aspects of the universe be connected via time lag found in space-time, with the speed of light not fast enough to coordinate all these signals; coordinated expansion. But if we assume the laws are the same, independent of time and distance, then we are in the realm of separated space and time, which parallel our space-time universe. Einstein gave us a hint, but I was the one who saw it first. Science needs to be open minded and not let sentiment get the best of you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wash, rinse, repeat, that is so feeble.

I know. You would think that you would learn from your errors.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can't even define your mythical belief. How do you think that you can understand it? You may fool yourself, but you won't fool many.

 

[metis]

God is an eternal indivisible one, without beginning or end, cause and affect, ie., apparent duality, are merely attributes of the manifestation of God.

As a belief based on faith, that's fine, imo.

 

[Heyo]

In the order you gave.
No
No
No
No

Can you elaborate?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You can't even define your mythical belief. How do you think that you can understand it? You may fool yourself, but you won't fool many.

One does not do conceptual reality, that is maya, that is belief, one realizes, ie., unites with the reality, that the definition stands for. For that reason, science can not know reality as it is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One does not do conceptual reality, that is maya, that is belief, one realizes, ie., unites with the reality, that the definition stands for. For that reason, science can not know reality as it is.

Reality is all that we have.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

As a belief based on faith, that's fine, imo.

Fine for those who are still at the belief stage, but there are further initiations for the religious aspirant, the next stage involves the transcending of belief to actually realize that which the belief represents.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Can you elaborate?

A spiritual experience is a transcending of the concept of spirit, ie., becoming one with the reality for which the concept of spirit stands for. Iow, it is a non-conceptual reality. Only after the fact does memory come into play and the duality of an experiencer and the experience arises in the mind to claim that one had a spiritual experience.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A spiritual experience is a transcending of the concept of spirit, ie., becoming one with the reality for which the concept of spirit stands for. Iow, it is a non-conceptual reality. Only after the fact does memory come into play and the duality of an experiencer and the experience arises in the mind to claim that one had a spiritual experience.

That would be a no, @Heyo

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Reality is all that we have.

You mainly function in conceptual reality as is happening at home, socially, work, study, media, etc.. To the religious aspirant, this is maya, not real, true reality is forever that which is represented by words, numbers, thoughts, definition, concepts, beliefs, etc.. When your mind is free from conceptualizing, then and only then is actual reality present. You presently only know yourself conceptually, to realize the truth of what and who you really are, one must depart the maya of the conceptualizing mind, ie.,. learn to cease all thought.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That would be a no, @Heyo

What is your point?

 

[Heyo]

That would be a no, @Heyo

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You mainly function in conceptual reality as is happening at home, socially, work, study, media, etc.. To the religious aspirant, this is maya, not real, true reality is forever that which is represented by words, numbers, thoughts, definition, concepts, beliefs, etc.. When your mind is free from conceptualizing, then and only then is actual reality present. You presently only know yourself conceptually, to realize the truth of what and who you really are, one must depart the maya of the conceptualizing mind, ie.,. learn to cease all thought.

Word salad is not proof. It is not even an argument.

It is useful if one just wants to impress oneself.

 

[Heyo]

What is your point?

@Subduction Zone and I are not fluent in New Age babble. And while we have difficulties to decode the meaning (if there is any) of things like "a transcending", "non-conceptuality" or "true reality™", you are equally unable to explain yourself in plain English.
We have a communication problem.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Word salad is not proof. It is not even an argument.

It is useful if one just wants to impress oneself.

You always say that when you don't understand. Never mind, tbh it is higher intiation teaching so you are excused.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

@Subduction Zone and I are not fluent in New Age babble. And while we have difficulties to decode the meaning (if there is any) of things like "a transcending", "non-conceptuality" or "true reality™", you are equally unable to explain yourself in plain English.
We have a communication problem.

It is far from new age, just shows where you are at in evolution.

 

[Heyo]

It is far from new age, just shows where you are at in evolution.

Hard to discern as you are all over the place. Christian Holy Spirit, Hindu maya, "initiation" of hermetic mysticism, that's too syncretic even for experienced RFians.