Present arguments for atheism

[McBell]

What people consider has no bearing on the fact or the truth of a matter.

I agree.
However, there are those who believe it does.

 

[Iti oj]

I am quite sure you mean something entirely different.

i seem to share that with every one else , perhaps you could define those terms.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

LOL I capitalized "the truth" to try to get it into your head that it's true that London is the capital of England no matter if I subjectively thought otherwise. Do you understand that? That what is true doesn't depend on subjective opinions?

You capitalized it to convey emotion. And that it did, because truth is meant to convey emotion. Truth depends on the subjective opinion whether a fact is important.

 

[ArtieE]

Truth depends on the subjective opinion whether a fact is important.

No it doesn't. It's the truth that London is the capital of England regardless of my subjective opinion whether that fact is important.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

i seem to share that with every one else , perhaps you could define those terms.

I already did multiple times. It is understood and rejected for the logic in it. Specifically it is rejected that there are at least 2 valid answers to any question about what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does. Atheists don't do subjectivity.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

No it doesn't. It's the truth that London is the capital of England regardless of my subjective opinion whether that fact is important.

You got no argument. You only got a pattern of rejecting subjectivity in all your arguments.

 

[Iti oj]

facts are true. period. the colloquial 'the truth ' is made of facts. period. subjective things are neither fact nor true. for example the subjective opinion green is the best color is neither a fact nor true. howeer it is a true fact that i think it is.

@Mohammad Nur Syamsu
@ArtieE
@columbus

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

facts are true. period. the colloquial 'the truth ' is made of facts. period. subjective things are neither fact nor true. for example the subjective opinion green is the best color is neither a fact nor true. howeer it is a true fact that i think it is.

@Mohammad Nur Syamsu
@ArtieE
@columbus

Non-argument. With truth it is the importance of it which is subjective, not the fact.

And how come you all refuse to accomodate subjectivity with a term that denotes important facts? It is because you all reject subjectivity.

 

[Iti oj]

Non-argument. With truth it is the importance of it which is subjective, not the fact.

And how come you all refuse to accomodate subjectivity with a terms that denotes important facts? It is because you all reject subjectivity.

that makes no sense nor has any justification. please reread my post and respond to each point.

how does subjectivity relate to fact.

 

[columbus]

And how come you all refuse to accomodate subjectivity with a term that denotes important facts?

Because subjectivity does not have much to do with important facts.
You may not realise that, you obviously believe differently. But reality is what doesn't change regardless of what people (including you) feel or believe.
Tom

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

that makes no sense nor has any justification. please reread my post and respond to each point.

how does subjectivity relate to fact.

By finding a particular fact important, or not important.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Because subjectivity does not have much to do with important facts.
You may not realise that, you obviously believe differently. But reality is what doesn't change regardless of what people (including you) feel or believe.
Tom

Subjectivty has lots to do with what is important and what isn't.

 

[Iti oj]

By finding a particular fact important, or not important.

how does that effect the fact and its truthfulness.they found frozen water on pluto i cared my coworker did not either way its truth.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

how does that effect the fact and its truthfulness.they found frozen wateron pkuto i cared my coworker did not either way its truth.

It's only truth if you find it is an important fact, otherwise it is just a fact.

 

[Iti oj]

Subjectivty has lots to do with what is important and what isn't.

but importance has no baring on its truthfulness.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

but importance has no baring on its truthfulness.

It does have, because only if it is important is it truth, otherwise it is a fact.

You understand absolutely nothing about subjectivity.

 

[Iti oj]

It's only truth if you find it is an important fact, otherwise it is just a fact.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=definition+of+truth+&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

the truth : the real facts about something : the things that are true

: the quality or state of being true

: a statement or idea that is true or accepted as true

subjectivity and importance has nothing to do with it.

Subjectivity refers to how someone's judgment is shaped by personal opinions and feelings instead of outside influences. Subjectivity is partially responsible for why one person loves an abstract painting while another person hates it.

nothing to do with facts or truth.

 

[Iti oj]

Subjectivity refers to how someone's judgment is shaped by personal opinions and feelings instead of outside influences. Subjectivity is partially responsible for why one person loves an abstract painting while another person hates it.

nothing to do with facts or truth.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=definition+of+truth+&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004


subjectivity and importance has nothing to do with it.

That's what you say, but you also simply do not understand how it works if it would apply. You ask the same question over and over, showing you do not comprehend how to arrive at an important fact, rather than an unimportant fact.

 

[Iti oj]

That's what you say, but you also simply do not understand how it works if it would apply. You ask the same question over and over, showing you do not comprehend how to arrive at an important fact, rather than an unimportant fact.

no you don't understand the definition of the words you are using .