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President Vance

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Estro Felino said:
I bet the Freemasons and the elitist banking sewer are disgusted by the idea that a person from the Hillibilly community can become POTUS someday?
;) Right, @Revoltingest ?
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The real problem is the conspiracy between the Pope
& Italian Prime Minister to subvert the US election for
the benefit of Putin, & their plan to clone Hitler from
a piece of his ear that they have frozen in a vault under
the Leaning Tower of Piza.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
The real problem is the conspiracy between the Pope
& Italian Prime Minister to subvert the US election for
the benefit of Putin, & their plan to clone Hitler from
a piece of his ear that they have frozen in a vault under
the Leaning Tower of Piza.
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Proof.
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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Estro Felino said:
I bet the Freemasons and the elitist banking sewer are disgusted by the idea that a person from the Hillibilly community can become POTUS someday?
;) Right, @Revoltingest ?
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My grandfather was a Mason amd not sewage nor was he an elite. My best friend's dad is a Mason. He is no sewage nor elite.
As usual you have nothing but garbage to say.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf said:
My grandfather was a Mason amd not sewage nor was he an elite. My best friend's dad is a Mason. He is no sewage nor elite.
As usual you have nothing but garbage to say.
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I do not know what it is about the Masons that drive conspiracy theorists mad. I wonder if it is because conspiracy theorists are the last sort of people that would be invited to join the Masons.
 
Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Twilight Hue said:
Revoltingest said:
To clarify, he wants abortion illegal in the entire country.
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That's an ought right lie.
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No, Vance told an outright lie during the debate when he said he never favored a national abortion ban. He said he did in 2022, but he now disclaims a lot of things he has said recently. The man is a consummate gaslighter.

See:

At Debate, J.D. Vance Falsely Said He Never Backed a National Abortion Ban​


Twilight Hue said:
They want individual states to decide. Not a federal ban unlike the left who wants to impose mostly unrestricted abortion nationally on a federal level.
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Nonsense. That is the status quo that Trump's Supreme Court majority imposed on the country in their Dobbs decision. Vance himself has called for a law to make all abortions illegal in the US, but Trump has said he would veto a national abortion law passed by Congress. The man has never made a promise that he didn't feel free to break. If such a bill crosses his desk, he will definitely sign it. What would be the consequence of breaking his promise? People not voting to elect him for a third term in office?
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Copernicus said:
No, Vance told an outright lie during the debate when he said he never favored a national abortion ban. He said he did in 2022, but he now disclaims a lot of things he has said recently. The man is a consummate gaslighter.

See:

At Debate, J.D. Vance Falsely Said He Never Backed a National Abortion Ban​




Nonsense. That is the status quo that Trump's Supreme Court majority imposed on the country in their Dobbs decision. Vance himself has called for a law to make all abortions illegal in the US, but Trump has said he would veto a national abortion law passed by Congress. The man has never made a promise that he didn't feel free to break. If such a bill crosses his desk, he will definitely sign it. What would be the consequence of breaking his promise? People not voting to elect him for a third term in office?
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Watch what he actually does. That will settle the matter.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Viker said:
Impose? How can freely allowing a choice made between an individual and a medical professional be "imposing"?
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Because not all people share the same viewpoint including victims of abortion which the left completely ignores and arguably wish they were never around.



 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Pogo said:
The rational half of the country is going out of their way to avoid finding out just how many of Trump's absurd ideas we will have to deal with.
You may be one of those who likes to play chicken, but that pretty much went out in the 50s with James Dean.
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The country will still be around if Trump serves and concludes another presidential term.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Pogo said:
The rational half of the country is going out of their way to avoid finding out just how many of Trump's absurd ideas we will have to deal with.
You may be one of those who likes to play chicken, but that pretty much went out in the 50s with James Dean.
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The rational half? I don't think so.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
fantome profane said:

@Revoltingest made the claim: "he wants abortion illegal in the entire country."

J.D. Vance said : “I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally”

So I think has been proven true. Even if you don't want to accept it, it is still true.


Yep.

newrepublic.com

Read J.D. Vance’s Violent Foreword to Project 2025 Leader’s New Book

Trump’s running mate writes that “it’s time to circle the wagons and load the muskets.”
newrepublic.com newrepublic.com

You can deny the facts all you want, but that will not make the facts go away.
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Only if you think heresy is facts.
 
Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Twilight Hue said:
Because not all people share the same viewpoint including victims of abortion which the left completely ignores and arguably wish they were never around...
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We all make choices that we regret later on in life, so it is no surprise that you can come up with anecdotes of women who wish they had not made the choice that they did to have an abortion. That does not mean that those women should not have been free to make the choice they did when they made it, nor does it justify the government making a choice for them that they may regret just the same later on in life. It is ironic that so many Republicans speak out of one side of the mouth about getting big government out of our lives and speak out of the other side with just as much passion about inserting it into the most difficult and private decisions we face. Having freedom of choice does not mean that you will always make the right choice, and taking it away does not mean that the authorities in charge will make a better choice for you.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Copernicus said:
We all make choices that we regret later on in life, so it is no surprise that you can come up with anecdotes of women who wish they had not made the choice that they did to have an abortion. That does not mean that those women should not have been free to make the choice they did when they made it, nor does it justify the government making a choice for them that they may regret just the same later on in life. It is ironic that so many Republicans speak out of one side of the mouth about getting big government out of our lives and speak out of the other side with just as much passion about inserting it into the most difficult and private decisions we face. Having freedom of choice does not mean that you will always make the right choice, and taking it away does not mean that the authorities in charge will make a better choice for you.
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You do realize that it also affects the moral and ethical choices of Physicians who may not see that view as well as other healthcare workers.

It's also interesting how you avoided completely the victims themselves and only addressed the mothers as if those people who had survived abortions do not exist.
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
Watch they will give it to the states where it belongs.
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Knowing that many red states already had bans in place. Why does an important medical procedure belong to the political affiliation of a state? The infant mortality rate is increasing in states with bans.

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www.usnews.com

This issue make no sense. If they really support a state's right to allow abortion then why not nationally? The thing is we know the anti-abortion people wanted to eliminate Roe so that abortion wouldn't have national legality. Why would they stop now? They won't. Vance's own comments are that he supports a national ban.

Just like with Trump's SCOTUS picks claimed they would respect existing decisions, but lied since they overturned the Roe decision, we can't trust conservatives when they say they will respect state's rights. Their agendas say they will eliminate abortion as a medical service.
 
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