President Vance

[Subduction Zone]

The rational half? I don't think so.

You may be able to reason rationally at times, but you have demonstrated that you through rationality away when it comes to politics a long time ago.

 

[Revoltingest]

You do realize that it also affects the moral and ethical choices of Physicians who may not see that view as well as other healthcare workers.

It's also interesting how you avoided completely the victims themselves and only addressed the mothers as if those people who had survived abortions do not exist.

Just as you ignore the victims of having been
denied the right to legal safe abortions.
All rights have benefits & costs.
You ignore the benefits.

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh, I don't know. Abraham Lincoln, from Kentucky, could well be considered coming from hillbilly terrirtory (Ozarks).

He was murdered by a Freemason.
You basically proved my point with anecdotal reference.

 

[Copernicus]

We all make choices that we regret later on in life, so it is no surprise that you can come up with anecdotes of women who wish they had not made the choice that they did to have an abortion. That does not mean that those women should not have been free to make the choice they did when they made it, nor does it justify the government making a choice for them that they may regret just the same later on in life. It is ironic that so many Republicans speak out of one side of the mouth about getting big government out of our lives and speak out of the other side with just as much passion about inserting it into the most difficult and private decisions we face. Having freedom of choice does not mean that you will always make the right choice, and taking it away does not mean that the authorities in charge will make a better choice for you.

You do realize that it also affects the moral and ethical choices of Physicians who may not see that view as well as other healthcare workers.

Yes, I realize that. They are under no obligation to perform abortions or meddle in the lives of strangers that are not their patients and do not have the consent of those individuals to treat them.

It's also interesting how you avoided completely the victims themselves and only addressed the mothers as if those people who had survived abortions do not exist.

Absolutely not. If people are the victims of their own choices, then they are no different from the rest of us. We all make choices that we regret later. That is no excuse to set up a "Daddy State" to make the choices for us. We all have to take responsibility for our decisions. I'm sorry that you don't recognize that, but the government cannot make all those decisions, nor is it qualified to do so. I can feel sorry for those people who make mistakes that they later regret, but it is not my prerogative to step in and make their choices for them.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You may be able to reason rationally at times, but you have demonstrated that you through rationality away when it comes to politics a long time ago.

No. Living in the People's Republic of New York has put things in proper perspective as to what the Democrat party is all about.

 

[Revoltingest]

You do realize that it also affects the moral and ethical choices of Physicians who may not see that view as well as other healthcare workers.

It's also interesting how you avoided completely the victims themselves and only addressed the mothers as if those people who had survived abortions do not exist.

By your rationale, anything that risks poor choices should be banned,
eg, borrowing money, eating fast food, full contact sports.

 

[Twilight Hue]

By your rationale, anything that risks poor choices should be banned,
eg, borrowing money, eating fast food, full contact sports.

No thats your rationale about me.

You don't determine that for or about myself.

 

[Revoltingest]

No thats your rationale about me.
You don't determine that for or about myself.

Aye, you determine it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Trump is very old, & he's hiding his health info.
His mind (such as it was) is going.
The odds of Vance becoming President are increasing.
All sides should consider this when voting.

MSN

www.msn.com

Excerpted...

The former president’s medical records have long been a point of contention amongst his critics, dating back to his first campaign for president in 2015, when he refused to release any medical information, instead publishing a four-paragraph letter from his personal doctor.

That letter said that if Trump were elected, he would be “the healthiest person ever elected to the presidency.”

However, the doctor who wrote the letter, Dr. Harold Bornstein, a gastroenterologist from Lenox Hospital in New York, later told CNN that it was actually Trump who dictated the letter.

“He dictated that whole letter. I didn’t write that letter,” Bornstein told CNN in 2018. “I just made it up as I went along.”

In August, Trump was asked about his medical records, telling CBS News that he would “very gladly” release them, though he has yet to do so.

Health and age have been at the forefront of voters’ minds throughout this election cycle, as many questioned the ability of President Joe Biden to serve a second term. Eventually, after a shaky debate performance in June, Biden dropped out of the race and was replaced by his vice president as the Democratic nominee.

Anyone who has read that letter knows full well that Trump dictated it. It was filled to the brim with the typical language he likes to use.
(Anyone being honest with themselves, anyway.)

Still waiting on those taxes too ....

 

[SkepticThinker]

Still going on about the bull**** about project 2025 by the Heritage Foundation.

J.D. Vance wrote the foreword to Project 2025 Leader's new book and has deep ties to the Heritage Foundation. So yeah, we're gonna keep pointing that out.
Facts matter.

Read J.D. Vance’s Violent Foreword to Project 2025 Leader’s New Book

Trump’s running mate writes that “it’s time to circle the wagons and load the muskets.”

newrepublic.com

Project 2025 leader postpones launch of his book with Vance foreword until after the election

As Project 2025 hits turmoil, the head of the influential, far-right Heritage Foundation is postponing the release of his potentially fiery new book until after the November presidential election. Trump's running mate JD Vance penned the foreword to Roberts' book.

www.pbs.org

Project 2025 Think Tank Leader Delays Book—With JD Vance Foreword—Amid Controversy

“It’s time to circle the wagons and load the muskets,” Vance writes in his foreword for “Dawn’s Early Light.”

www.forbes.com

Vance praises a key leader behind Project 2025, a conservative effort Trump has disavowed

JD Vance, Donald Trump’s running mate, has praised the vision of Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts in the foreword of a forthcoming book.

apnews.com

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's an ought right lie.

They want individual states to decide. Not a federal ban unlike the left who wants to impose mostly unrestricted abortion nationally on a federal level.

Actually "the left" wants to impose FREEDOM OF CHOICE on everyone in the entire country and allow everyone to make their own medical decisions. Ick, ew! Such jerks!

The Republicans want to make it so that you rights over your own body are different, depending on which state you're in. Since when do rights depend on which state you live in? Slavery anyone?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Watch they will give it to the states where it belongs.

Please explain why you think rights over one's own body should differ depending on one's geographical location within the United States.
What other important rights do American's have only in some states but not in others?

 

[Revoltingest]

The Republicans want to make it so that you rights over your own body are different, depending on which state you're in.

Until abortion is illegal nationally.
Baby steps.

 

[PureX]

From a horse's mouth ... (STRONG LANGUAGE WARNING)

 

[anna.]

Oh, I don't know. Abraham Lincoln, from Kentucky, could well be considered coming from hillbilly terrirtory (Ozarks).

Vance isn't even a real hillbilly. He's a "shillbilly," according to some who live in the region, and a distant Vance cousin (who didn't have to change her name to Vance like he did) calls him a cosplaying hillbilly.

In the heart of Appalachia, a distant cousin of JD Vance leads an opposing 'authentic hillbilly' movement

 

[Heyo]

What other important rights do American's have only in some states but not in others?

Right to life.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. Living in the People's Republic of New York has put things in proper perspective as to what the Democrat party is all about.

If you really believed that you would try to support your beliefs rationally. Your actions speak far louder than your words.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If you really believed that you would try to support your beliefs rationally. Your actions speak far louder than your words.

No the People's Republic of New York is what supports my rational. It's crap and it's all run by democrats which pretty much settles that matter.

Nobody wants the entire nation to look like the People's Republic of New York and California at least the rational ones.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Please explain why you think rights over one's own body should differ depending on one's geographical location within the United States.
What other important rights do American's have only in some states but not in others?

Show me anywhere in the Constitution where abortion is listed in the Bill of Rights first.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Actually "the left" wants to impose FREEDOM OF CHOICE on everyone in the entire country and allow everyone to make their own medical decisions. Ick, ew! Such jerks!

The Republicans want to make it so that you rights over your own body are different, depending on which state you're in. Since when do rights depend on which state you live in? Slavery anyone?

Not much choice for the victims of abortion and no it's a States right issue , not a federal issue.