President Vance

[Twilight Hue]

If you really believed that you would try to support your beliefs rationally. Your actions speak far louder than your words.

No the People's Republic of New York speaks the loudest words people are just freaking miserable there with the highest and most oppressive taxes and the least freedoms in the entire nation and you can't say it otherwise.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No the People's Republic of New York is what supports my rational. It's crap and it's all run by democrats which pretty much settles that matter.

Nobody wants the entire nation to look like the People's Republic of New York and California at least the rational ones.

No, if it did you could make a rational argument and you have not even been able to make one against New York. Go ahead, try. I predict that you will fail again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Show me anywhere in the Constitution where abortion is listed in the Bill of Rights first.

What makes you think that it has to be?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not much choice for the victims of abortion and no it's a States right issue , not a federal issue.

You made an improper assumption. You are assuming that there are victims of abortions.

 

[Pogo]

No the People's Republic of New York speaks the loudest words people are just freaking miserable there with the highest and most oppressive taxes and the least freedoms in the entire nation and you can't say it otherwise.

Sorry dear, but as you co-resident, you are full of it. You don't like it but only because you don't realize that the taxes you pay make it a very desirable place to live. This even applies to people like you on limited incomes, you just need to study some econmics. More money than you pay goes to people at your contribution level.

 

[Revoltingest]

Show me anywhere in the Constitution where abortion is listed in the Bill of Rights first.

The 9th Amendment.
Of course, Magas & conservatives don't believe that
abortion is one of those non-enumerated rights.

 

[Heyo]

Show me anywhere in the Constitution where abortion is listed in the Bill of Rights first.

I'm not a lawyer, but to me, it seems that the US lacks several rights I enjoy, and you should too, according to the UDHR.
You don't have an inalienable right to life.
You are not protected from slavery, when you are an inmate.
You don't have a right to bodily autonomy. (You can be forcefully vaccinated, and the Constitution doesn't protect you. Or worse.)

 

[SkepticThinker]

Show me anywhere in the Constitution where abortion is listed in the Bill of Rights first.

The right under question is BODILY AUTONOMY.
The right to have control over one's own body.
Without that, we have nothing.

Also, again, you completely sidestepped my questions ...

Please explain why you think rights over one's own body should differ depending on one's geographical location within the United States.
What other important rights do American's have only in some states but not in others?

Let's hear it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not much choice for the victims of abortion and no it's a States right issue , not a federal issue.

The "victims of abortion" don't even know they're victims of abortion. They don't have brains to think with. They can't make choices.

This doesn't explain at all how bodily autonomy is a "states right issue, not a federal issue" at all.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The "victims of abortion" don't even know they're victims of abortion. They don't have brains to think with. They can't make choices.

This doesn't explain at all how bodily autonomy is a "states right issue, not a federal issue" at all.

That's because your brainwashed to be part of a collective.

Again not all people share the same views in unison.

It's a state rights issue and the people in that state decide. Not a collective one voice, one mind mindset that decides for all and damm the opposition if they don't share the same thing.

 

[Revoltingest]

The "victims of abortion" don't even know they're victims of abortion. They don't have brains to think with. They can't make choices.

This doesn't explain at all how bodily autonomy is a "states right issue, not a federal issue" at all.

They consider the woman getting
the abortion to be a victim.
Because she might later regret her
decision. So they want to take away
the right to decide.
Stupid, eh.
Go figure.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's a state rights issue and the people in that state decide.

Not according to your beloved JD Vance.
He's campaigned to eliminate the right
in all states. Trump likely agrees, since
he made Vance VP & the likely heir to
the presidency as Trump's health declines.


The "states' rights" argument is analogous
to "intelligent design". Each is a stalking horse
towards the ultimate goal, ie, total abortion ban
in all states, & teaching creationism (respectively).

 

[SkepticThinker]

They consider the woman getting
the abortion to be a victim.
Because she might later regret her
decision. So they want to take away
the right to decide.
Stupid, eh.
Go figure.

Then the same people turn around and lament the "nanny state" because they can't freely buy plastic bags.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then the same people turn around and lament the "nanny state" because they can't freely buy plastic bags.

Their idea of liberty & small government
is really just imposing their agendas upon
the unwilling.
Government regulation always grows during
every Republican presidency. Anyone who
doubts can look into the CFR (Code of
Federal Regulations).

 

[Heyo]

That's because your brainwashed to be part of a collective.

Again not all people share the same views in unison.

It's a state rights issue and the people in that state decide. Not a collective one voice, one mind mindset that decides for all and damm the opposition if they don't share the same thing.

So, you think that the right to bodily autonomy, an inalienable right according to the UDHR, should be regulated by the US States.
What about other rights, which are now enumerated in the Constitution, should the states also regulate gun ownership in the same way?

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's because your brainwashed to be part of a collective.

Nope, I'm not and that's not an answer.

Just an empty accusation.

Again not all people share the same views in unison.

Irrelevant.

It's a state rights issue and the people in that state decide. Not a collective one voice, one mind mindset that decides for all and damm the opposition if they don't share the same thing.

Ah, I see. So rights depend on which state you live in. So your God-given American rights are dependent upon your geography within those United States. Rights aren't universal in the US anymore. They depend on where you live. Mmkay.

So I can be a free person in one state, then go to the next state and next thing I know I'm a slave and another person owns me because that state re-enacted slavery.

I can be in one state and have rights over my own body then go to another state and suddenly they own me and I have no rights over my own body and I can just die, because that state doesn't recognize my rights. Tough luck for me. Now I'm dead. Now I have zero rights.

This view makes zero sense.

And it's super bizarre to me that you're so nonchalant about something as important as bodily autonomy while you bemoan the stripping of your personal rights and freedoms because you can't buy a plastic bag at the fricking grocery store anymore.

And you think I'm a member of some sort of brainwashed collective while you believe that? All while you sit proudly on the MAGA bench.
Get outta here with that nonsense.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's because your brainwashed to be part of a collective.

 

[fantome profane]

That's because your brainwashed to be part of a collective.

Again not all people share the same views in unison.

It's a state rights issue

Just so everyone is clear, you are still arguing for the "collective" to make this decision, just a smaller collective. You are not arguing for individual rights.

The pro-choice people are arguing that the collective should not be making this decision, not the federal collective, and not the state collective. It should be a decision for the individual.

And we should also be clear that J.D. Vance said he wants the federal collective to make this decision, not the state, and certainly not the individual.

J.D. Vance said : “I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally”

 

[Twilight Hue]

Just so everyone is clear, you are still arguing for the "collective" to make this decision, just a smaller collective. You are not arguing for individual rights.

The pro-choice people are arguing that the collective should not be making this decision, not the federal collective, and not the state collective. It should be a decision for the individual.

And we should also be clear that J.D. Vance said he wants the federal collective to make this decision, not the state, and certainly not the individual.

J.D. Vance said : “I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally”

That's a lie about Vance. He has said explicitly in multiple interviews that abortion should be a state's right issue, nothing about being illegal nationally. I would love to see you show anything where he explicitly says that from his own mouth. Consider yourself called out on that.

This is the United States , meaning there is more than one state , so it's a far fetch from it being called a collective. What Democrats are trying to do is make all the states subservient to its views and policy.

If I don't like things in one state I can always have the free choice to move to another. That is not something any person can do in a collective.

 

[fantome profane]

That's a lie about Vance. He has said explicitly in multiple interviews that abortion should be a state's right issue, nothing about being illegal nationally. I would love to see you show anything where he explicitly says that from his own mouth. Consider yourself called out on that.

Ok. Here:

Very short video, only 25 seconds. But you really only need to hear the last 4 seconds.

J.D. Vance said : “I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally”.

That is not a lie. He explicitly says that from his own mouth.