74x12
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Generally yes. Take California and their gas taxes for example.
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Prices At The Pump Are For The Future Liberal World Order
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74x12
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And here I thought it was the people who accuse you of making things up that don't have an actual argument.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You admitted to not having a valid argument when you claimed to be piecing quotes together and even worse "reading between the lines". You took that old Col 44 and shot yourself square in the foot again. The challenge was simple and fair. Find a source that supports you with quotes not taken out of context. And it has to be a reliable source too. You could not do that.
The deluded one would have to be the one that makes claims and cannot support them. In this case it has been you.
Subduction Zone
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Then in about ten years or so you might have a problem. Though by then the number of charging stations will be much greater than today. Please note, no one has said that you have to change today. You will have to change sometime in the fairly near future. The world rarely listens to unreasonable demands of a small minority.
Wildswanderer
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Rotflal! Gullible much?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, you appear to be. But then the Republican party no longer appears to welcome rational reasoning. What part of economics do you not understand?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Hogwash. Let's all go live in caves then. It's downright stupid to bankrupt the economy and claim it's going to save the world. If you want to use less energy, put you money where you mouth is and get rid of your house and computer and land and live in a tent. Then maybe we could take you seriously. All I see is a lot of talk and nothing that actually going to do diddly for the climate. For example, electric cars are not good for the environment. Neither is fake meat.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I understand fine that gas prices were shooting up way before Ukraine... because of Biden's energy policies.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
You mean like Biden said? Maybe you could explain economics to Biden.
Subduction Zone
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Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I don't know who this "everybody" is you are talking about, but all the people that can't pay their bills because everything is through the roof disagree and they are ticked and they are going to be voting red in the fall.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Oh Biden has made a gaff here and there. Nothing like Trump of course, but the man is not perfect. He ahs not made the huge mistakes that you have so why did you even bring that up?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Then you are very confused, because Biden's policies had nothing to do with that. Do you need this explained to you?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Here and there? You have your head buried deeply in the sand. Enjoy your self-imposed blindness.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Do you seriously want to compare the relatively few faux pas of Biden compared to Trump? Seriously? The man that said something so stupid during the pandemic that (dang it can't remember her name) had to facepalm at a press conference? I have admitted that Biden makes faux pas, but until you admit that Trump "made the best faux pas, nobody makes faux pas like Trump does". until you admit that Trump was far far worse I am not the one living in delusion.
This is overly simplistic and laced with false dilemmas. Your argument against the world making a concerted effort to convert to green energy is that if we do, we'll bankrupt the economy. I don't accept that unsupported claim, which is also contradicted by evidence and reason.
And you don't seem to understand what going to green energy entails. You think it means giving up one's house and computer, and living in a cave. And you call hypocrisy on those that call for green energy but don't live like that.
No, I don't want to use less energy. Just clean energy. I have solar panels on my roof that power my home. We make no effort to limit our power use, because our power is free and results in no greenhouse gas emissions. In fact, we recently added a minisplit to a room (AC/heat) and put up two more panels to power it. We use it liberally. And running it is clean and free.
They'll just have to adapt to their new economic reality. What choice do they have?
Everybody benefits from the world going green, most benefit directly by reducing consumption, and everybody benefits. I expect a semi-permanent contraction of the American standard of living, not just a recession for a few years. American life will appear different, more like the past, more like where I live here in Mexico, where the local people live inexpensively and simply. Our neighbors don't eat fast food, and many households have no car. Many run small businesses out of the fronts of their homes, such as the two small markets and the plant nursery on my street. Also, the guy who makes bottle rockets.
The Chinese restaurant down the street is run by three sisters who live there. People don't go on vacations. They go to the plaza every Sunday and bond as a community. Kids don't go to soccer practice or summer camp. But they're clean, well-fed, clothed, and happy. These families generate almost no garbage. We see what they put out. I don't know how they wash their clothes, but many dry them on clothes lines. I see American life moving in that direction and remaining there indefinitely, and they will be compelled to adapt. It's not just the inflation and gas prices, which will pass, that threaten them economically.
Not very bright, and an argument against voting in a society that is that dumbed down and subjected to continuous conservative indoctrination media. How little does one need to know to realize that [1] this is a global problem not caused by one president or national party, and that [2] the Republicans don't care about them and have no useful ideas, and see them as capital to exploit and voters to do exactly what you are suggesting that they will do - return power to the Republicans.
And that is what I was alluding to above that threatens the average American's economic well-being. They will very possibly welcome their enemy back into the seat of power, because they aren't sophisticated enough to do better, an enemy who has a vision of wage slavery for them.
This is in large part why I don't live there any more. I simply don't trust the American electorate not to contain enough of these kinds of voters to drag the rest down with them. I wanted to unhitch my wagon from their star. Those voters, the ones who are so easily convinced that an election was stolen in the face of evidence to the contrary, who refused life-saving vaccines in the face of evidence that they should, who vote for sociopaths, who get grifted out of $250 million dollars in no time by a man looking at indictment and prosecution - such unqualified voters are an imminent threat to every American.
They are why the Supreme Court has become the enemy of ordinary Americans unleashing guns, greenhouse gases, and school prayer on them while taking rights from them and posturing to remove more. These are the people you're describing that will vote red for relief from a problem that the Republicans wouldn't help them with if they could.
I would think capitalists would enjoy making record profits, wouldn't they?
The White house doesn't set fuel prices. Fuel prices are set by the energy industry.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
We aren't talking about Trump. You seem a little obsessed with him.
Biden only makes gaffs when he forgets to read the cue card and accidentally says something he actually thought of.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
They can vote out the people who are deliberately causing artificially high prices for their own agenda.