Pro-choice and pro-life

[Saint Frankenstein]

No. The vast majority use the money to buy food. Many won’t pay for a room rental, because they would rather have money for food if the next day is bad (poor earnings).
Some do use for drugs/alcohol, but they are a minority of cases. The majority get less than $10,000 per year, while panhandling 7 days/week.

Research letter: Income and spending patterns among panhandlers

23 Amazing Panhandling Statistics

we can debate such things once we all have the facts. But I would point out that this thread was supposed to be about pro-choice vs government control of women’s bodies/lives.

I go with what I see, and what I've seen, it's not really for food. They can go to a pantry or a sandwich line here if they need food. Start another thread about it if you want.

 

[F1fan]

There are more than a few that make a good living at it. I gave you a few as examples.
You can research it more or choose not to believe it. The choice is yours. I myself choose to stop wasting time with someone who thinks somethings don't happen because they believe they don't.

There are anomalies in most any category that is examined. Frankly I find it unlikely that very many panhandlers are doing all that well. There surely are some who know how to do it right as a scam. That's what scams do, they know how to take advantage of people. Frankly I don't give money to panhandlers because I don't support this kind of behavior. I do see many folks on street corners who look capable to work, and I would encourage them to find some sort of work. I also think government should assess these folks and if they are able to work to help them find it and get their feet back on the ground. But having a friend with serious mental health problems I could see first hand that a mentally unhealthy person can't maintain enough stability to stay employed. I think we as a society should help people with mental health problems since it is just the dysfunction of their brains, not poor judgment or discipline.

 

[F1fan]

I go with what I see, and what I've seen, it's not really for food. They can go to a pantry or a sandwich line here if they need food. Start another thread about it if you want.

Right. My friend I referenced in the previous post did go to food pantries and soup kitchens for meals. The homeless know where these places are. When he did get money he would usually end up in a bar and drink, and often get in trouble since the alcohol would make his mental health problems worse. I helped him a lot. So did his mom and other friends. But he was in a cycle of up and down and he would end up back in jail for some dumb thing. This got him sober and clean, and he would do a fresh start when he got out. But he just didn't have the stability to be disciplined and successful. It's sad.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Right. My friend I referenced in the previous post did go to food pantries and soup kitchens for meals. The homeless know where these places are. When he did get money he would usually end up in a bar and drink, and often get in trouble since the alcohol would make his mental health problems worse. I helped him a lot. So did his mom and other friends. But he was in a cycle of up and down and he would end up back in jail for some dumb thing. This got him sober and clean, and he would do a fresh start when he got out. But he just didn't have the stability to be disciplined and successful. It's sad.

I know this stuff from personal experience because I was basically homeless for a bit and had to live at the YMCA's men shelter for around 5 months and I had to rely on sandwich lines to eat every day, so I know how it works. No one is going hungry here unless they want to.

 

[oldbadger]

I'm not making this up:

New York State Announces COVID-19 Vaccination Mandate for Healthcare Workers | Law and the Workplace

They don't have public mandates so far I know. I'd have to check later. But mind as well. Nonvax literally can't do much anything. Same effect legally mandated or not. Our state VA mandate state and federal workers to vax. But thank goodness our soon elected governors won't make it public mandate.

That's about a condition, rather than an enforcement.
Health care workers might need to work somewhere else if they can't/won't have the vax, but nobody is going to be rounded up and force-injected with vaccination. That's what I was talking about to @We Never Know .
Our Care/Nursing Home workers and National Medical Staff must hold a vac ticket as well, a condition of the jobs.

 

[SomeRandom]

I would start a thread asking who thinks a vaccine mandate should be enforced but since any thread about that gets stuck in the covid forum they don't get many replies compared to being in say the general discussion forum. Plus they can go hours before they are approved.

I feel you
You could say the COVID threads are a pandemic all on their own lol

 

[SomeRandom]

But yet some pro-choice that are here think a vaccine mandate should be a law.
Sane as some pro-life here avoid the vaccine like its poison.

Well that saves lives on the whole.
So they’re being more pro life than certain members of the actual professed pro life movement (for instance those who take extreme measures, like literal terrorism to save the unborn, as they see it.)
Just saying, it’s not black and white

 

[We Never Know]

I feel you
You could say the COVID threads are a pandemic all on their own lol

You staff are kept busy enough monitoring thousands of posts daily. So I can understand delays on the covid thread.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Right. My friend I referenced in the previous post did go to food pantries and soup kitchens for meals. The homeless know where these places are. When he did get money he would usually end up in a bar and drink, and often get in trouble since the alcohol would make his mental health problems worse. I helped him a lot. So did his mom and other friends. But he was in a cycle of up and down and he would end up back in jail for some dumb thing. This got him sober and clean, and he would do a fresh start when he got out. But he just didn't have the stability to be disciplined and successful. It's sad.

This was me as well, no matter how hard I tried it was always short lived and I was right back to the same destructive pattern.

 

[wellwisher]

In today's world we see...
-people who claim to be pro-life but avoid a vaccine that can save lives
And
-people who claim to be pro-choice but want forced vaccinations.

Isn't amazing how a virus can distort the views people hold?

If you look at the larger data sets, more unborn die each year of abortion in the USA, for example, than everyone, of all ages, have died of Covid. Covid killed over 600,000 in a one and half years. While abortion has averaged that pace for 40 years.

Covid appears to have been a joint lab project; China, US and maybe others, that ended up making a virus that had a specific target. It was not a good virus design for war, since it spared the young and healthy. The young and healthy would become the soldiers.

It mainly targeted the old and those with compromised respiratory, circulatory and immune systems. This design appears to have been more of a social science type tool, that could be used in totalitarian states, to control populations, that require constant expensive medical care. It could be used in a Socialist state to lower costs.

Abortion, on the other hand, is indiscriminate. Nobody knows how the unborn will mature, so all shapes and sizes and degrees of health can go. It is a one size fits all regardless of future potential or lack thereof.

My guess is the vaccine push, by pro-abortionists, does not look at the Covid data as designed for any target. It appears to see a one size fits all, like abortion. To them, everyone needs to vaccine, less they catch the bug and be indiscriminately aborted by Covid. "do as I say and not as I do".

The pro-lifers see Covid more of less the way science data has inferred. It is not going after everyone, in the same severe way, but has specific targets. Their thinking appears to be more consistent with an act of faith, like Passover. They feel they will be passed over. They place their faith in science trends, nature and God, instead of the one size fits all fear that targets the unborn.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If you look at the larger data sets, more unborn die each year of abortion in the USA, for example, than everyone, of all ages, have died of Covid. Covid killed over 600,000 in a one and half years. While abortion has averaged that pace for 40 years.

Covid appears to have been a joint lab project; China, US and maybe others, that ended up making a virus that had a specific target. It was not a good virus design for war, since it spared the young and healthy. The young and healthy would become the soldiers.

It mainly targeted the old and those with compromised respiratory, circulatory and immune systems. This design appears to have been more of a social science type tool, that could be used in totalitarian states, to control populations, that require constant expensive medical care. It could be used in a Socialist state to lower costs.

Abortion, on the other hand, is indiscriminate. Nobody knows how the unborn will mature, so all shapes and sizes and degrees of health can go. It is a one size fits all regardless of future potential or lack thereof.

My guess is the vaccine push, by pro-abortionists, does not look at the Covid data as designed for any target. It appears to see a one size fits all, like abortion. To them, everyone needs to vaccine, less they catch the bug and be indiscriminately aborted by Covid. "do as I say and not as I do".

The pro-lifers see Covid more of less the way science data has inferred. It is not going after everyone, in the same severe way, but has specific targets. Their thinking appears to be more consistent with an act of faith, like Passover. They feel they will be passed over. They place their faith in science trends, nature and God, instead of the one size fits all fear that targets the unborn.

Dude - if you're going to create a fantasy world to live in, at least make it pleasant.